christerd Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Ok, here is No Three ... One of the most well made MVKs come from Gebrüder Hemmerle in München , strangely the box looks rather simple Notice the difference in size compared to the other two, and the plain lock plate , but whats inside is Mmmmm Christer
christerd Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 No IV is Jacob Leser , I think that is one of the most common maker, Here we find the artistic lock plate again. Christer
christerd Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 And the last one , Weiss & Co . I got this one last week and that was the last of the makers, Now I´m going for the MVK III x mdKr boxes Hope you enjoyed them. Christer
spolei Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Ok, here is No Three ... One of the most well made MVKs come from Gebrüder Hemmerle in München , strangely the box looks rather simple Notice the difference in size compared to the other two, and the plain lock plate , but whats inside is Mmmmm Christer Hello Christer, the big Hemmerle-box is verry intersting. I've never seen such a big box from Hemmerle.The type of closure I know so do not even. Can you even show a better picture of the manufacturers stamp on the inside. The blue boxes were replaced from the red paper-boxes at the end of war. The red boxes were much cheaper to produce. Nice cross. I would date the Hemmerle Cross in 1916. Regards Andreas Edited February 24, 2013 by spolei
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Greetings to All Here are the marked MVKs and MVOs I have. MVK 3.Kl mX mm GH Gebrüder Hemmerle Edited February 25, 2013 by Alan
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) MVK 3.Kl mKuX mm GH Gebrüder Hemmerle on Swords Edited February 25, 2013 by Alan
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 BVK 1.Kl mX Unmarked was in a Jacob Leser marked Etui
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) The corresponding Etuis to the above MVKs. Edited February 25, 2013 by Alan
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) BVO 3.Kl mX Ring mm 900, Swords unmarked, mm JL 950 Jacob Leser Edited February 25, 2013 by Alan
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) MVO 4.Kl mX Swords mm GH900, mm GH950 Gebrüder Hemmerle Edited February 25, 2013 by Alan
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 MVO 4.Kl mKuX Ring mm 900, Swords mm GH900, mm GH950 6 o'clock arm Gebrüder Hemmerle. Question: With some of these MVOs being marked in the 6 oclock position is this an earlier or later production?
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 MVO 4. Kl mKuX Swords mm WCo 900, mm WCo 950 Weiss & Co
Alan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 BVO 3.Kl mX Ring mm 900, Swords unmarked, mm JL 950 Jacob Leser
christerd Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Wonderful Crosses , Alan ! Here is my Hemmerle box MVK III x together with a MVK III x MdKr the boxes are very similar in size.
spolei Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) BVO 3.Kl mX Ring mm 900, Swords unmarked, mm JL 950 Jacob Leser Hello, nice Leser MVO. I think it is a fourth class. Can you show me a detailpicture from the fixing of the flames. Are they fix with the crossarm? Regards Andreas Edited February 26, 2013 by spolei
Alan Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Hello, nice Leser MVO. I think it is a fourth class. Can you show me a detailpicture from the fixing of the flames. Are they fix with the crossarm? Regards Andreas Here you go Andreas,
spolei Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Here you go Andreas, Hello Alan, this is a fourth class. The marking 980 is for silver. The flames should have no fixing with the crossarm. This type of MVO is an early type with golden frame and medaillon, but the third class is marked with 570 ( for gold). The golden color can also be patina. Regards Andreas Edited February 27, 2013 by spolei
Alan Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 Hello Alan, this is a fourth class. The marking 980 is for silver. The flames should have no fixing with the crossarm. This type of MVO is an early type with golden frame and medaillon, but the third class is marked with 570 ( for gold). The golden color can also be patina. Regards Andreas Hey Andreas, So a third class would be made of actual gold not in silver gilt? And why would there be a seperation from the frame in a third class but not in a fourth class?
spolei Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Hello Alan, the fourth class was shaped of one piece of silver. The third class and higher was made of gold. The flames of the third class and higher were made hollow. So the cross is even lighter than the fourth class. The flames used separately. From 1917 on, only silver plated crosses had been manufactured, the flames were also hollow. Look a picture of the fixing of the flames. Regards Andreas Sorry, but I have to delete this picture, because I haven't ask the owner. Edited March 23, 2013 by spolei
Alan Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 Thanks for the help Andreas, very interesting. The GH MVO4X (pictured earlier) weighs 27.99g This JL weighs 22.60g
spolei Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 Thanks for the help Andreas, very interesting. The GH MVO4X (pictured earlier) weighs 27.99g This JL weighs 22.60g Hello Alan, here the weights of my MVO's 4th class/ swords with golden medaillon. JL ( the same typ 1) 24,38 g Hemmerle 27,70 g Weiss 30,00 g Sorry but I have no third class and higher and also no weights of these class. Regards Andreas
azyeoman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 This is an amazing and most informative thread! Thank you Andreas!!!
spolei Posted October 14, 2013 Posted October 14, 2013 Shouldn't this thread be called... "What do you know about Bavarian MVO's" OK, let's change, here the top highlight of my collection. It is a Hemmerle
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