Ed_Haynes Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Hooray! Envy exudes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Congrats!Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 Battushig # C 05Mongolian Partisan Badge #4 with Original Issue Booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 Badge & Booklet together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 Photo of the recipient....... tiny, tiny picture....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 Now the speculation is................ why such a low Number and who received the first 3? Was this an "importance" issue? Seniority? Some other condition as to who received which badge?A rare little gem in a book that I couldn't read for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 page 3 & 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 Page 5 & 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 The original photograph in the book is literally the size of a little-finger's nail. FIRST clue: he is wearing an enamel ribbon bar, of the type introduced in 1945.And if I am reading these correctly, based on the chart in Dr Battushig's book:[attachmentid=21215]The 1950 and Cyrillic inside the cover says "Ong" (which I believe is "Mister") "butsakhzarda...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Whereas this is something apparently dated from 1960:[attachmentid=21216]There is nothing in this book which appears to bear a serial number indicating that it came with a badge-- I suspect it is a "privileges" book, indicating the Old Partisan had enummerated perks on the subsequent completely pre-printed pages, Soviet style (extra pay, housing allownce, personal service priorities and so on).The design of the badge seems very very modern to me, but the enamelwork seems similar to that of the Khasan and Khalkin Gol badges. The weird soldered wire coil channel for the usual undersized flimsy pin in typical of those I see in Red Chinese awards from the late 1940s and 1950s.So how old ARE the Partusan badges? What DOES the Book actually do? And who was this recipient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 (edited) The book does indeed not mention the number of the badge.Sometimes the number is added in a non-official manner.These badges were issued starting in the early forties to the partisans of the 1921 revolution. I suppose the handwritten 1921 date, is the year the partisan actually joined the revolutionary group. Though I have no hard evidence for this.See also this thread:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4084&st=20I will try to get a full translation of these 2 pages.Jan Edited January 2, 2006 by vatjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I've merged the TWO separate threads into one so we don't have to flip back and forth.So, actually autographed books... neat!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) I've examined 6 of these docs sofar (well 7 with the one in the thread, but I can't read the date )If a conclusion is possible from so little info, one might say they were awarded once a year.I've seen following award dates:20 march 32 (1942) three times26 july 33 (1943)27 july 34 (1944) twiceI'll see what else I can unearthJan Edited January 2, 2006 by vatjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Jan.... Rick said there's some issues dating these as the Mongolian Calender (per Dr. Battushig) (page 11)actually begins in 1911 as year one! So the "Year 36" date is actually 1946!! This is actually is born out by the photograph in my booklet... there were no ribbon bars in Mongolia until 1945.......... while the book says "year 36"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Jan.... Rick said there's some issues dating these as the Mongolian Calender (per Dr. Battushig) (page 11)actually begins in 1911 as year one! So the "Year 36" date is actually 1946!! This is actually is born out by the photograph in my booklet... there were no ribbon bars in Mongolia until 1945.......... while the book says "year 36".........Yes, I know, that is why I put the "real" year between brackets after the Mongolian year.Yours is the first I see with the date written in Uighur, all the others have "normal" numbers.But I'm still digging Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 OK, let's make this even a little more...intriguing.First off march 20, 1942 booklet.No handwritten additions, no stamp beneath the pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Second: July 26, 1943 bookletStamp on picture and an written "ong" thingie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Third: July 27, 1944 bookletStamp on photo + number + 2 added "ong" inscriptions and a handwritten uighur text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 the uighur inscription.Mongolian anyone ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Wups! My mistake-- not "ong" but "ond " or perhaps "o kd" and with Jan's in posts #s 42 and 43, that looks like some sort of classification, followed by the number 1--"1950 ond 1 Udaa Yava(i?n?m?) in #42 and"Zd(spot)?? z ? Udaa Yav1951 O(K?)D 1 Udaa Yavsai"The handwriting is bad, let alone Mongolian written in Russian. But these entries look like some sort of "checked by" of the sort found in Soviet paperwork-- verifying status of the person as eligible for privileges in 1950/51? Here is something that has occurred to me while enjoying this thread:1) if ALL these books were for the original intrepid band of 1921 Partisans-- why is the "21" of the year written in and not printed? This suggests to me that there are OTHER Books out there with OTHER years qualifying as a Partisan!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 The handwriting is bad, let alone Mongolian written in Russian. But these entries look like some sort of "checked by" of the sort found in Soviet paperwork-- verifying status of the person as eligible for privileges in 1950/51? I had thought about that aswell, maybe there were some priviliges that went with the badge, but every so often they had to prove they were still alive to continue benefitting from this. I suppose administration in a mainly nomadic culture country is not an easy thing.1) if ALL these books were for the original intrepid band of 1921 Partisans-- why is the "21" of the year written in and not printed? This suggests to me that there are OTHER Books out there with OTHER years qualifying as a Partisan!!I've never seen one, but I would assume there are 1920 maybe even 1919 entries for the partisans that joined Sukhbaatar's or Choibalsan's revolutionary groups early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 "Zd(spot)?? z ? Udaa YavZD might just be plain and simple 39, right? As in 1949?Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 OKD does not seem to exist in the Mongolian language.OND does exist but as part of a word, as in хооронд meaning between.Still digging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 "1950 ond 1 Udaa Yava(i?n?m?) in #42 and"Zd(spot)?? z ? Udaa Yav1951 O(K?)D 1 Udaa Yavsai"The name appears to be the same for both booklets, so it's probably the name of the controller fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Could be "39" as in = 1949! The handwriting is awful. Apparently, although enamel workers were all carefully preserved, penmanship teachers and barbers fell totally victim to The Revolution and never recovered anyplace in the Communist world. OR that says "1950/1951 'checked and verified' " sort of thing. I'm sticking to Soviet! I'm not learning another language! Bad handwriting in the ones I already know is hard enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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