Flyingdutchman Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) Gentlemen,here are two pics of my Amazone dagger.In 1842 the prussian king, Frederick William IV, decided to build a ship for training purposes. On June 24, 1843 the first state-owned school ship, the corvette AMAZONE, was launched.On May 17, 1844 Amazone undertook her first tour. In 1845 she sailed to Genova and she visited New York on May23, 1848. In 1852 she participated in a cruise to South America.This is a cadet dagger with a blunted tip. This tip was given to the fact of the latent danger of young boys carrying pointed, sharpened weapons.This is the dagger that started it all. It?s an extremely rare dagger.Any thoughts/facts/infos greatly appreciated !Thanks for looking !Best regards;Flyingdutchman Edited January 7, 2006 by Flyingdutchman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Hunter Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Interesting dagger. The pommel appears to be identical to the that used on navy daggers during the Weimar period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingdutchman Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 You hit the nail on top. This was exactly the intention in 1919. Back to the beginning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rodgers Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 HelloThis is a real cadets dagger.I own one myself. There are only 4 known in the US and you just posted the 5th knownWittmans Naval book has a great writeup about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Must be for cadets... they rounded the point off so they cannot hurt themselves....Yup... these navy folks have to be looked after.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi all,just joined the forum and look forward to future on here. Thought i`d start with a few pics of my amazone,authenticated by Mr.Wittmann,its different in a couple of ways to the other handful of known examples........the blade tip is pointed,maybe officers model,and the suspension method is not two scabbord rings for cords,it is a lug in centre of scabbord for a `frog` type device,similar to navy hirschfangers of the time. no signs of alterations been done at all,very original fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 er...pics not working !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Must be for cadets... they rounded the point off so they cannot hurt themselves....Yup... these navy folks have to be looked after.... It was the custom on American ships to break the tip of sailors' knives to keep them from hurting each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 It was the custom on American ships to break the tip of sailors' knives to keep them from hurting each other thats one point id never thought of (sorry about play on words),ive never looked at mine and compared blade to scabbord length and looked at other pics to compare theirs. guess all blades would have been made pointed then shortened and ground round for cadets,maybe more points (?) to officers and cadets amazone`s. will check my references,thanks for bringing this up. as the amazone sunk with all hands lost i guess these dirks were from previous crew or left at shore for dress purposes,if they were kept on board i guess the largest proportion of what were ever made are at the bottom of the north sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 i have a rare bit of paper dated 1844 that shows captain and second lietenant uniforms as officers of kriegskorvette amazone.both wear hirschfangers in frog type suspension and adorn officers portapees, so can any naval experts out there please tell me ranks between second lieutenant and cadets in prussian navy circa 1844. any ideas gents ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Congratulations Flyingducthman and Mustang, two super rare daggers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rodgers Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 MustangYour dagger is the NCO version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 thanks for this Bob , is this based on hirschfanger models or do you know of another amazone with this suspension fitting ?, regards,mustang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rodgers Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 This is just another option for the person wearing it.I have seen another just like this one. But most are normal ring hangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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