censlenov Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Recently i've been finding myslef more and more tempted by mounted imperial groups. I have until this point been pretty much a dedicated British/Commonwealth collector but have been known to "dabble" in other collecting areas when the mood strikes me. I spotted this on a primarily British dealer site and was wondering what other members think. Now not knowing much abouth these groups i have some concerns. Firstly the ribbons appear narrower than typical is this usual for large mounted groups? Second the stitching used to affix the medals firmly in place does it look normal or a sign of a doctored group? I have asked for better photos of both the front and back side of the group as i've learned from this forum the backside can tell just as much as to authenticity as the front when it comes to groups. Lastly what would a fair market price be for this group (i'd hate to overpay on something by to much). Cheers Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Chris, the order of mounting is wrong also the combination of awards is odd - Now, that is not a death sentence but does give me pause. Edited January 18, 2011 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I agree with Hardy; the order immediately put me off this one. And that 1898 Jubilee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Chris, have a look at the bar and link below - the big bar with filler combinations and narrow ribbons look alot like the fakes from this Austrian swindler. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10721&view=findpost&p=122271 . Edited January 19, 2011 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Recently i've been finding myslef more and more tempted by mounted imperial groups. I have until this point been pretty much a dedicated British/Commonwealth collector but have been known to "dabble" in other collecting areas when the mood strikes me. I spotted this on a primarily British dealer site and was wondering what other members think. Now not knowing much abouth these groups i have some concerns. Firstly the ribbons appear narrower than typical is this usual for large mounted groups? Second the stitching used to affix the medals firmly in place does it look normal or a sign of a doctored group? I have asked for better photos of both the front and back side of the group as i've learned from this forum the backside can tell just as much as to authenticity as the front when it comes to groups. Lastly what would a fair market price be for this group (i'd hate to overpay on something by to much). Cheers Chris Dear Chris: Thank you for posting a photo of this item. Narrow ribbon ARE possible on genuine groups (especially if an Officer received many awards it allowed for easier mounting). In my opinion, from what I see, this group is recently assembled. There are many problems with the combination of awards on this bar and the order in which they appear. You should not purchase it at any price in my opinion. Best regards, "SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Thank you kindly for your help Gentlemen. My gut was telling me something just didn't "feel right". I'll save my cash for something else. He also had a group with an ek2 1914, cross of honour with swords, finlands bravery medal (urheudesta), landwehr LS 9 year medal, ww2 war merit cross without swords and ww2 war merit medal. The group sounded very strange given the finish bravery medal but no finish commemorative medal and having the two war merit medals. It too didn't give me a good feeling. Cheers Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Also, on any bar you think about purchasing you need to post the front and the reverse of the bar. The devil is in the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Agreed, that looks like another Frankenspange from Austria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambolini Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hi, Personally, I ALWAYS have a problem with bars that have shiny new ribbons. Regards, Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hi, Personally, I ALWAYS have a problem with bars that have shiny new ribbons. Regards, Sam Even for single medals I like the tatty old ribbons. Maybe it's a false sense of security, but makes me think they truly were held by the recipient at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Even for single medals I like the tatty old ribbons. Maybe it's a false sense of security, but makes me think they truly were held by the recipient at one time. So this one could be a favorite for you Regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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