dante Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) New medal bar.....seems odd not happy with it, and has it been on here before, welcome your thoughts, cheers Edited May 1, 2011 by dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M Hunter Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Hello Dante, The order of precedence is not correct but sometimes the rules were not always followed by tailors. The ribbons, devices and hardware look original. What is the 5th ribbon? Best wishes Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Hello Dante, The order of precedence is not correct but sometimes the rules were not always followed by tailors. The ribbons, devices and hardware look original. What is the 5th ribbon? Best wishes Matt Well i think its the Russian St George ?? the six I think is Austrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Well, well... For starters the yellow ribbon with black stripes must be for the Mobilisierungs-Erinnerungskreuz (1912-13), see http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?products_id=1070. The sixth should be a Hanseatic Cross of Lübeck, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_Cross, but worn uncorrectly. The whole ribbon bar doesn't convince me very much, on the contrary... The combination is odd if not quite improbable, the order of the ribbon wrong, the stitching on the back quite messy and also the sword devices worn up-side-down... There isn't very much I like in this bar. I am sorry. ciao, Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Well i think its the Russian St George ?? the six I think is Austrian I do not think so. I am quite sure that the Russian Order of St. George has three black stripes, not two. Incidentally, this ribbon was later used by the Soviet for the Order of Glory and Victory in Europe medal. Edited May 2, 2011 by Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valter Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) Russian St. George /Soviet glory etc. had black and orange ribbons, not yellow. Black & yellow (gold) are colors of Austro-Hungarian empire, which was sometimes colloquially called "Black&yellow monarchy". But 1912-13 mobilisation cross had two black stripes on each side of ribbon, what is not like this one. The 5th ribbon here was (supposed to be) probably from some AH long service or jubilee decorations. It would make sense on the bar IF that would be 1908 jubilee cross FOR FOREIGNERS, which was awarded also to members of regiments whose honorary chief was Franz Joseph or some other member of Austrian royal house. If we omit the fact that the proportions of black and yellow stripes on this ribbon are not correct for AH long service/jubilee awards. Check here: http://www.medals.pl/at/at1.htm One more thing I noticed: there appears to be at least two tipes of stitching thread - black (or two blacks - thick and thin?) and some lighter color. Is this just a coincidence (which would rarely happen to professional bar maker, IMHO) or on purpose? Regards, Valter Edited May 3, 2011 by Valter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Guess what? This seems to be a full 40 mm ribbon to the 1898 medal for foreigners.. Isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valter Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Guess what? This seems to be a full 40 mm ribbon to the 1898 medal for foreigners.. Isn't it? You meant full size 1912-13 mobilisation cross? Cut or folded in half - that could be an option. If we assume this guy was Austrian, the 6th ribbon could be not Luebeck, but AH 1898 medal for state officials... He could be still on some rear duty during WW2 at his 60-65, earning KVK2OX. But why only 25 years service cross, not 40? Maybe he discontinued service / state employment (hence no AH 1908 jubilee medal)? And what's the 4th blue ribbon? How could he earn Prussian LS if (IF!) he was mobilised in AH army in 1912-13?! This combination seems impossible for me with AH 1912-13 mobilisation cross... or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 This is, without a doubt, a Prussian's ribbon bar, and therefore it cannot be Mobilization cross - but they do share the ribbon: Here, it's for the Inhaber-Jubiläumsmedaille See this very fine thread for it: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=32394 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IMHF Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Very nice Ribbon bar what did you not like about it; did it come with the Medal Bar? I would love to see the Medal Bar when you have time to post it. Thank you Lorenzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valter Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Sascha, you're right. I wasn't aware of this 1908 medal for inhaber-regiments... It is not listed in several lists of AH decorations and I always thought the sistem is simple: 1898 - medal, 1908 - cross, different ribbons for different recipients and that's it. Thanks for explaining this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 And, as the wearer was a Prussian, we can narrow him a little bit down. He must have been in Garde Grenadier Regiment 2 or in Hussar Regiment 16, as these two were the only Prussian ones Franz Joseph was honour chief. If really like German medal/ribbon bars with this medal/ribbon, and have some smaller (ribbon) bars in my collection, too. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 Wow, thanks guys everything pointed to it being wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valter Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Maybe a bit off-top'ic, but I'd like to show a tipical AH ribbon bar, made of full-size ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valter Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 (edited) and reverse - hooks are maker marked "Nicholis" Ribbons are: 1. Officer's military merit cross with war decoration OR Signum laudis 2. Bravery medal (klass undistinguishable) OR some other decoration - this is a very common AO ribbon 3. Karl's troop cross 4. 1912-13 mobilisation cross Edited May 7, 2011 by Valter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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