Tony Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 Thanks for the comments eyeryone, it's nice to know the ribbon is a little different than standard. The opposite side of the ribbon is cleaner and therefore shows the colouring a little better. Kev, I think I'll probably leave the brooch in it's grubby state, it looks much better in the hand than in the photo. I'll post the conduct sheet for the Brit. VM soldier in the commonwealth forum over the weekend if anyone's interested in reading it. Below is the cleaner side of the Czech ribbon. Tony
RobW Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 To all, Here is a standard Czech Russian Legion trio with some well worn medals. I prefer to see a bit of wear on these medals as it indicates the recipient did actually wear them. It has two small eye hooks on the reverse for attaching the group to the uniform jacket. Interesting items from this group include: * No citations on the War Cross. * No '4' shield (indicating the 4th Regiment) and a single linden leaf on Revolution Medal. This variety of Revolution Medal has a slightly wider tab where it attaches to the suspension ring, and does not have the more commonly seen 'AB' makers mark of Antoine Bourdel from Paris, on the obverse near the rear feet of the horse. This variety was produced between 1920-38. Of note is that the single Linden leaf on the ribbon of the Revolution Medal is not correct as it was only authorised for the War Cross. Such single bronze linden leaf citations were for units at the Division level. Recipients however who did not subsequently serve in the Armed forces post the war, did not necessarily follow the regulations so it is not altogether unusual to see such combinations. * Official Czech vic with a very early version of the ribbon. Regards, Rob
Tim B Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) I've seen some rather nice variations for sale lately, including the Belgian style medal with the letter "R" on the reverse and Czech style ribbon. Also, a version with the cylinder style suspension and original ribbon. Thought I would add a couple more items tonight. First up, is another nice example of the official O.Spaniel version Czech Victory Medal. Here's one with the coarser style ribbon in near mint condition, including the small bar ribbon. Best conditioned one I've seen for sometime. Tim Edited October 11, 2010 by Tim B
RobW Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 To all, Last post for a bit as other issues intrude. Here is a nice group to a member of the Czech Italian Legion that has seen varied service. The ribbons are a bit age faded on the front but are nice and vibrant on the reverse. 1. Revolution Medal with 3 regimental shields. 2. Official czech vic. 3. Italian war commemorative medal (S. Johnson variant). * 31st & 33rd Regiments - Saw heavy action at the Doss Alto ridge action in September 1918. * 33rd Regiment suffered heavy casualties at Santa Dona di Piave in the summer of 1918. * 39th - Formed from all reconnaissance units of the 5 Regiments in Italy. Regards, Rob
lambert Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) This is another of my collection Victory Medal Czech. Medal Type 2. Signature of the sculptor O. Cavalier on the obverse. Manufacture of Kremnica Mincovňa. Lambert Edited January 22, 2011 by lambert
RobW Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) Victory Medal Czech. Medal Type 2. Signature of the sculptor O. Cavalier on the obverse. Manufacture of Kremnica Mincovňa. Hello Lambert, The designers mark in the case should be 'O. Spaniel' for Otakar Španiel, 1881-1955. Regards, Rob Edited January 23, 2011 by RobW
lambert Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Hello Lambert, The designers mark in the case should be 'O. Spaniel' for Otakar Španiel, 1881-1955. Regards, Rob Rob.. correct !! I do not know how he came to my mind. lambert
Tim B Posted July 13, 2011 Posted July 13, 2011 Thought I would bump this thread to the top as someone is having a hard time finding it. Here's a quick comparison of the different types of ribbons often seen on the Czech Vic's. Starting left to right, I believe the two on the left are official period, the third is commonly seen with re-issues, and the example on the right has a more modern unnofficial pattern ribbon. Hope this helps. Tim
lambert Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) This is my Checa Vic. I bought a few months after beginning my collection of MV. Ribbon (unnofficial ?) has seen better days. Medal Type 2. Signature of the sculptor O. Spaniel. Manufacture of Kremnica Mincovňa. Edited July 22, 2011 by lambert
RobW Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) To all, As there appears to be little to no traffic in this area here is a relatively early and low numbered award certificate to a member of the Russian Legion. It was awarded on 4 July 1922. The certificate is slightly longer than my scanner hence the truncated ends. Regards, Rob Edited October 29, 2011 by RobW
lambert Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 I wish I had an orginial document, but are very hard to find. :(
RobW Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 I wish I had an orginial document, but are very hard to find. Lambert, Have a look at ebay France. They seem to have a number of Czech items on a regular basis. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted April 22, 2012 Posted April 22, 2012 Hi Gents, My latest acquisition - I think it's an Offical Type 2 with cylinder suspension: Obverse Reverse - I was interested to see Lambert's example in post #3, with what appears to be a worn guilt finish, as the reverse of mine shows faint traces of a similar finish. It has the O. Spaniel incised name on the obverse, and measures 36mm diameter and 2.5 thickness. The ribbon looks Czech, but appears to be cobbled together from two different pattern pieces - they don't come out very well on the scanner. Any comments welcome. Bill
lambert Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Hi Bill, Good Example! I will provide better images of my medal. I bought in London (Ebay) for a price very pleasant, The medal is Type 2, and finishing "golden" is well spent, of course, the darker bronze appear below, and the Ribbon has seen better days, though I have sought a replacement for her. It is a ribbon later, maybe 1945-48. Your example is much better than my VIC, really enjoyed it.! Regards Lambert
Bilco Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Well, Lambert, your version has the barrel suspension, while mine is the cylindrical, so you need to get one of these too! http://www.medalsofwar.com/medal_details.php?mid=1483&lastpage=foreigncatlisting Bill
lambert Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Hi Bill, See this item on Ebay, said to be Belgian, but I believe it is a Rare Vic Belgian manufacturing (Manufacturing Riemer) for the Czech. It still has various clips .. No doubt a very interesting Vic! http://www.ebay.com/itm/140740259407?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 lambert
Bilco Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Hi Lambert - Yes a very interesting medal. From the look of the bidding there are some people very anxious to get it! Bill
Bilco Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Well, I was right about the bidding. After I posted last night it jumped from $183 to $558, and the winning bid was $568! Bill
lambert Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 I agree, my bid was covered very quickly. Well, it's a very interesting item for the collection, but I think it deserves a note .. Well. I do not think the configuration is possible.DOSS'ALTO (Legion of Czechoslovakia on the Italian front September 21, 1918)Zborov (commemorates the creation of two regiments 6th and 7th who escaped the siege of the Austro-German forces in Ukraine)SIBIR (commemorates the Czechoslovakian forces in Siberia)PERONNE (He was quoted by V. Mericka recalls the struggle for this sector, the "Nazdar".)ARGONNY (France 22 to 21 regiments and Terron Vouziers in September 1918)and BACHMAC (commemorating the battle that gave the victory of the Czech Division (1st, 2nd Regiment, 3rd and 4th of Fusiliers) in July 1917.). Lambert
Bilco Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) Hi Lambert - these bars were meant to be worn on the Medal of the Revolution, and this site has a few more details, though not as detailed as your notes above http://www.gwpda.org...medl/czech.html As you say, the combination is amazing - this must have been a very nimble fellow. I see the medal was sold on eBay in 2007, but I don't know what the winning bid was then! Bill Edited April 24, 2012 by Bilco
lambert Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Bill Exactly! I have a more detailed text (in Portuguese) on my blog. http://medalhasdeguerra.blogspot.com.br/ Well. Say it was very agile. being in France and Italy in almost the same time. :D Regards lambert
RobW Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Well, Lambert, your version has the barrel suspension, while mine is the cylindrical, so you need to get one of these too! Bill Hello Lambert & Bill, The variety with the cylinder suspender is seen much less often than that of the barrel suspender. Regards, Rob
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