Ed_Haynes Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here is the only known data point for the Title of Merit (A8):607 26/06/1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 The section of the "Sky Blue Bible" that deals with these is quite rich, but also quite complex, far more than just the "simple" linguistic issues. This will take some time to disentangle.I am, however, hoping to get an early translation of at least one table (p. 184): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 The section of the "Sky Blue Bible" that deals with these is quite rich, but also quite complex, far more than just the "simple" linguistic issues. This will take some time to disentangle.I am, however, hoping to get an early translation of at least one table (p. 184):I received my Blue Bible and suspect the table provides more detail on the split of the A8 into following award reasons as highlighted by Battushig already:Merit in Arts 1941Meritorious Teacher 1942Meritorious Sport Trainer 1957Merit in Human Medicine 1960Meritorious Sport Master 1960Merit in Veterinary Medicine 1961Merit in Zoological Technology 1961Merit in Construction 1963Meritorious Pilot 1965Meritorious Airplane Technician 1965Merit in Culture 1966Merit in Transport 1966Merit in Telecommunication 1967Merit in Irrigation 1968Meritorious Lawyer 1970Merit in Trade 1970Merit in Science 1971Meritorious Miner 1971Merit in Economy 1971Merit in Forestry 1974Meritorious Agriculturoal Mechanic Worker 1974Merit in Agronomy 1974Merit in Industry 1976Merit in Weather Forecasting 1976Merit in Service 1978Merit in Collectivization 1979Merit in Health Production ?Note the only awarded one (in Ed's collection: 26 June 1981, for excellent work in collective farms - number 607... perhaps a useful indication for other titles and their possible award reason.Presumably the table relates to the institution of new reasons for awarding of this title (the reasons listed by Battushig)... and it APPEARS to give a nr of awards per reason. This award has for some reason not gotten a lot of "high profile" in collecting - not enough enamel I guess ...but given that it appears that there may only be 1662 awarded (? at time of Blue Bible), that the document for receiving such an award is quite beautiful compared with others and the fact that we now have a POSSIBILITY (a lot easier if documented award ) of figuring out with the Blue Bible who was awarded it... I'm sure this nice "little" Tilte of Merit will be getting more attention in the future. The Blue Bible certainly has quite some pictures of recipients (with bio next to it) which makes me VERY curious as to the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 bump - just because i like this award and it continues to spark my curiosity difficult to find numbered ones nowadays, nota bene had one for sale but not as cheap as in past anymore and was sold before i spotted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 (edited) If anyone can read this, I think it would be a useful step toward understanding these awards in historical context:Бичгийн гавьяаны одон тэмдэг шагнах тухай дүрэм [Rules for Awarding Ordens for Honored for Writing] (1926)http://www.mongoliacenter.org/library/digi...sh/3126/01.html Edited July 6, 2008 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5226&st=60Interestingly enough mine was awarded roughly (same year) same time as Ed's, yet mine is unnumbered (both on the medal and the document)... some inconsistency here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 Scanning through the blue bible i found this (referring to 2004.6)Awarded to a russian it seems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvaton Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 +++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 We need to have another look at these A8's: Dark enamel in center: - 0244 hand-engraved top one with square pinback - 706 rotating tool engraved bottom one with round pin back Light enamel in center - no number for top one (round pin-back) - 508 rotating tool engraved bottom one (round pin-back) No enamel in center - hand-engraved number 0114 (some sort of pin-back) Soon I will be receiving number 0022 which (from pictures seen sofar) is handengraved, with round pinback and as of yet undetermined color enamel. Perhaps somebody is $%^&* with our mind on this medal just like on the Polar Star! Why does it have to be so complicated! <img src="http://gmic.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/speechless.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="speechless.gif" /> Time to revisit this award after seeing something new / interesting on eBay. I suspect the light/dark enamel is just an insignificant difference and we have to go back to: hand-engraved number, always with 4 digits, known examples ranging from 0008 - 0407 rotating-tool serial, always with 3 digits, known examples ranging from 452 - 786 And then something weird / new on eBay: 3 digits, rotating tool engraved, "No 815" Not sure what to think of this... too bad we've seen so few documents coming out in the open is perhaps the best answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Hi there Bob, This seller has attempted to sell some BAD stuff in the past!!! Here and on Ebay... This looks like total BS to me... Pardon my French! I just dont like it... Cheers JC ps. took some scans and really bad pics for the suurin baldan thread, will post them in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 I guess there's still the chance of new types popping up despite the hard work on this site last couple of years to document all types. However, sometimes indeed circumstances lead one to have to be suspicious... in general this award (unless with a matching document) i suspect may have badly numbered examples... on the other hadn, have yet to see duplicates. Looking forward to your additions to Suurin Baldan thread (of course:)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidS Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Badge of the Title of "People's" #86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidS Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 .. and Badge of the Title of Merit #386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 The variety of serial numbering style continues to defy logic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Finally got what appears to be a 'silver' badge for the Title of People's Merit. Only 2nd o 3rd time I've seen one of those in the market and very rare (based on the Blue Bible, less than 100 awarded). Unfortunately undocumented. The serial number of 7757 is 'odd' to say the least but an explanation will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 Here an explanation from "the expert" on this "The badge of People’s Honored did not come to life until 1980s. Prior to that a person who was bestowed the title of Peoples Honored was awarded the Badge of the Honored. Therefore, the person who was awarded the title of Honored was given the corresponding medal. If the same person was bestowed a title of Peoples Honored, he/she used to get the same medal received previously. Please see the attached photo. Therefore, the numbering for the title holders of Honored and Peoples honored got mixed up which led to this confusing serial numbering." So it really does sound like the Battushig A7 and A8 got mixed up (with initially A7's being awarded to people given the title for A8 well before an actual A8 was created) and this is driving a serial number 'mess'. The A8 is very prestigious though with (based on the Blue Bible list of less than 100 awardees) only a very limited number of people having been awarded this title annually. On the one hand a pity that we don't have a better way to get the background stories (only the lucky cases which have a document connected to the badge can be found back in the Blue Bible) as these are super rare. On the other hand, it's puzzling to me that Mongolia already had so many different awards (like State Prize for example) and just kept adding and adding. Makes me wonder about the criteria for being awarded X vs. Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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