Guest Rick Research Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 Wow, Glenn! Comparing the Cyrillic text of your 1960 dated document with the Mongolian in Cyrillic document to a Soviet at the bottom of page 2 of this thread,that sure DOES appear to be FOR the Khalkin Gol badge ITSELF, not some jubilee...issued in 1960!!!!!! a late award indeed... and if 20 years after the original issue, for how much longer? Wow.
Ed_Haynes Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 An interesting source which I just located:http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/drea2/drea2.asp
Stogieman Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 The late award seems to be something we see repeatedly with Mongolian Aawards.... the group I just received has jubilee medals, some of which were actually awarded quite a bit past the actual date of the medal. It would be fascinating to try and figure out exactly what the criteria was on some of these late awards!
Bob Posted June 25, 2006 Posted June 25, 2006 Anybody notice the posting on eBay with different booklet?My guess is that we have the small black booklets for early awardings and then larger paper (1959 onwards as per my recently acquired books) for once it became an offical medal?
Ed_Haynes Posted June 25, 2006 Posted June 25, 2006 There are several booklets (for Mongolians). Shall be posting some soon.
Stogieman Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 Thanks Ed, looking forward to seeing something definitive on the styles... Bring home extras! Please!!!!
Ed_Haynes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 Just in, a mirror-back (type 1) Khalkin Gol, but in MUCH higher quality than usual. Friends in UB were very surprised to see this "high quality" variety. Very "bronzey". Make of that what you will.
Ed_Haynes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 (edited) And a very silvery (silver?) flat-back type 2 (weighing in at 15.8 g). Edited August 3, 2006 by Ed_Haynes
Ed_Haynes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 This second badge came with (beyond that I cannot be sure) a Cyrillic document (repaired).
Ed_Haynes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 . . . with what seems (to me at least) to be a Mongolian (rather than Soviet) stamp.
Ed_Haynes Posted August 6, 2006 Posted August 6, 2006 Since we may have missed/forgotten this thread, allow me to cross-reference here:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7781
Paul L Murphy Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 Here is mine. My only Mongolian item so far (I bought it for the Japanese connection) but I can see myself approaching a slippery slope given how well made and attractive these are ..........
Vatjan Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 Here is mine. My only Mongolian item so far (I bought it for the Japanese connection) but I can see myself approaching a slippery slope given how well made and attractive these are ..........Yes, thread very carefully from here on, before you know it you'll be over your ears into Polar Star, Red Banners and Sukhbaatars.Do you know if the Japanese also have a commemorative badge for this battle? I might want to buy it for the Mongolian connection Jan
Paul L Murphy Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) Japan does not but Manchukuo, which was a Japanese vassal state, does. It is called the Border Incident War Medal and was established in 1939 for service in the various clashes on the Amur River in 1937, Changkufeng Hill in July 1938 and Nomohan in 1939. Let me see if I can dig out a photo of it for you. Edited September 18, 2006 by Paul L Murphy
fjcp Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) Japan does not but Manchukuo, which was a Japanese vassal state, does. It is called the Border Incident War Medal and was established in 1939 for service in the various clashes on the Amur River in 1937, Changkufeng Hill in July 1938 and Nomohan in 1939. Let me see if I can dig out a photo of it for you.I guess that's the same as the Nomonhan incident medal??I know I have better pictures, but these are the only ones I could find!ps. Almost forgot there are two variations of this medal. The rarer of the two has a larger raven (I think it's a raven) on the front..I'm not sure which variation this one is but they really do look about the same. Edited September 19, 2006 by fjcp
Paul L Murphy Posted September 19, 2006 Posted September 19, 2006 Correct, it is also called the Nomohan Incident Medal. Your version is the more common large Kite version (it is a Kite not a Raven). There is very little difference between the two versions but the small Kite version is considerably scarcer.
Vatjan Posted September 19, 2006 Posted September 19, 2006 Correct, it is also called the Nomohan Incident Medal. Thanks, I will definitely be looking for this one
Ed_Haynes Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Over on another threadhttp://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13591&st=13an early Khalkingol badge with a numbered screwplate has been discussed. FYI.
Ed_Haynes Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Based on that badge shown over there, we may now have to show:Type 1 (mirror reverse, numbered on screwnut, maker on screwnut ?MOAX?) Low = ???/High = 117776Type 2.1 (mirror reverse) Type 2.2 (mirror reverse, extra high quality) Type 3.1 (flat reverse) Type 3.2 (flat reverse, silver)
Stogieman Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1359...mp;#entry132923I can't merge these.... but:Isn't MOAX The Moscow Arts Collaborative? Also, isn't it a rather big leap to assume the disc is original to the badge? Dows the badge differ in any way from other mirror backs apart from the numbered disc??
Vatjan Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 I would be very careful in assuming this screwplate to be original. We know how these screwplates were swapped around in Mongolia, and I would not consider this to be original until, at least, one other was found to corroborate this finding.I would love to see numbered screwplates, that would open great, real combat ( ) research potential, but I do not (yet) believe they exist.I asked Dr B once, he denies there were ever numbered badges.It looks like a screwplate for a soviet "osoaviakim-always ready-defence society" badge sort of thing, they were numberedThis is the pic why I asked Dr B.
Ed_Haynes Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Agreed, Jan. But it does give us something to think about (in a sub-forum that badly needs such things ).
Guest Rick Research Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Well, how about my Very Own Special Sub Variety for a Moscow Artists Collaborative screwdisk with their street address on it? Number 11, Kuznetsky Most.
Belaruski Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) I own the contentious piece and thought best comment!The badge is as I bought it, but that doesn't mean that the screwplate hasn't at some point been replaced or swapped. I notice that the award books are numbered so that doesn't rule out the possibility that some awards were. However if this is number 117,000 then surely someone would have found another numbered one?I always presumed they were all numbered because mine was!I think in cases like this it's best to err on the side of caution. Could the individual have done it to match the number on the certificate? Edited December 22, 2006 by Belaruski
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