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    Posted

    Hello,

    a very nice bar. The stamp on the backside is from the manufacturer Hemmerle.

    The MVO has a pre-war ribbon.

    Sorry, that I can't identify the owner.

    Regards Andreas

    Posted

    The Jubilee Medal for the Bavarian Army means he was alive after 1905, but the lack of any World War I decorations means he may have died before the war (so no WW1 medals) or during the war (so no remounting of the medal bar). At least a major, possibly up to colonel.

    The Bavarian regiment most closely associated with Braunschweig was the 1. schweres Reiter-Regiment, in which Duke Ernst August was a lieutenant and later a la suite.

    Posted

    The Jubilee Medal for the Bavarian Army means he was alive after 1905, but the lack of any World War I decorations means he may have died before the war (so no WW1 medals) or during the war (so no remounting of the medal bar). At least a major, possibly up to colonel.

    The Bavarian regiment most closely associated with Braunschweig was the 1. schweres Reiter-Regiment, in which Duke Ernst August was a lieutenant and later a la suite.

    Hello,

    I have to look, when the crown of the MVO was awarded. I think it was also in 1905.

    On the bar, I'm missing the Centenarmedal. The officer has the servicemedal for 24 years, so the medal was given to him.

    Regards Andreas

    Posted (edited)

    Hello,

    I have to look, when the crown of the MVO was awarded. I think it was also in 1905.

    On the bar, I'm missing the Centenarmedal. The officer has the servicemedal for 24 years, so the medal was given to him.

    Regards Andreas

    Bavarians normally did not receive the Centenary Medal. Among serving soldiers who were not veterans of 1870/71, it was mainly only awarded to members of regiments stationed in Alsace-Lorraine in 1897. These were:

    Stab 10.Inf.Brig. (Metz)

    Stab 5.Kav.Brig. (Dieuze)

    4.IR (Metz)

    8.IR (Metz)

    3.ChevR (Dieuze)

    5.ChevR (Saargemünd, except for 2./5.ChevR in Zweibrücken)

    II./23.IR (Saargemünd)

    I./2.FußAR (Metz)

    IIII./2.FußAR (Metz)

    There were also a number of random awards for which I am unsure of the specific reason. Some are because they were commanded to Prussian units at the time of the award. Among these, for example, was Anton Ritter von Löhr. Then Second-Lieutenant Löhr was at the Prussian Militär-Turnanstalt from 1.10.1896 to 1.8.1897.

    But if you look at the Militär-Handbuch des Königreichs Bayern nach dem Stande vom 1. Dezember 1897, you can see that most Bavarians did not have the medal.

    Regards

    Edited by Dave Danner
    Posted (edited)

    Bavarians normally did not receive the Centenary Medal. Among serving soldiers who were not veterans of 1870/71, it was mainly only awarded to members of regiments stationed in Alsace-Lorraine in 1897. These were:

    Stab 10.Inf.Brig. (Metz)

    Stab 5.Kav.Brig. (Dieuze)

    4.IR (Metz)

    8.IR (Metz)

    3.ChevR (Dieuze)

    5.ChevR (Saargemünd, except for 2./5.ChevR in Zweibrücken)

    II./23.IR (Saargemünd)

    I./2.FußAR (Metz)

    IIII./2.FußAR (Metz)

    There were also a number of random awards for which I am unsure of the specific reason. Some are because they were commanded to Prussian units at the time of the award. Among these, for example, was Anton Ritter von Löhr. Then Second-Lieutenant Löhr was at the Prussian Militär-Turnanstalt from 1.10.1896 to 1.8.1897.

    But if you look at the Militär-Handbuch des Königreichs Bayern nach dem Stande vom 1. Dezember 1897, you can see that most Bavarians did not have the medal.

    Regards

    Thanks Dave for clearing up that Bavarians normally did not receive the Centenary medal. This bar was not making sense if the wearer should have received the Centenary medal. It appears his service was in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

    Edited by Dave Danner
    Fix typo in quoted text
    Posted

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BDA24

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BJM

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BMVO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bra

    BrHdL 3b

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Pr

    PRAO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BDA24

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BJM

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BMVO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bra

    BrHdL 3b

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Pr

    PRAO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    Posted

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BDA24

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BJM

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BMVO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bra

    BrHdL 3b

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Pr

    PRAO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BDA24

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BJM

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BMVO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bra

    BrHdL 3b

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Pr

    PRAO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    I am not trying to be difficult, but I do not know what this means, please explain.

    Dean

    Posted

    I am not trying to be difficult, but I do not know what this means, please explain.

    Dean

    Hi Dean,

    It's a really beautiful medal bar. :love:

    I think WNickel is telling you that this bar belonged to Oberstleutnant außer Dienst Baron von Sartor auf Gansheim. :jumping: Congratulations!

    Best regards,

    Tom

    Posted (edited)

    ... I think WNickel is telling you that this bar belonged to Oberstleutnant außer Dienst Baron von Sartor auf Gansheim. ...

    Exactly! To help ID your bar was your question and he did ;)

    Regards, Komtur

    From Militär-handbuch des Königreichs Bayern 1914:

    Edited by Komtur
    Posted

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BDA24

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BJM

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BMVO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bra

    BrHdL 3b

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Pr

    PRAO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BDA24

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BJM

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bay

    BMVO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Bra

    BrHdL 3b

    16.05.1914

    100110327

    Freiherr von

    Sartor auf Gansheim

    Karl

    Bay

    OTL aD

    J

    Pr

    PRAO 4

    mKr

    16.05.1914

    WNickel

    Thank you sir, for helping me ID this bar.

    Dean

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