Signalcorps45 Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 Hello to everyone, Can someone help me please ID this medal bar? Thank you Dean
spolei Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 back 100_1238.JPG Hello, a very nice bar. The stamp on the backside is from the manufacturer Hemmerle. The MVO has a pre-war ribbon. Sorry, that I can't identify the owner. Regards Andreas
Dave Danner Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 The Jubilee Medal for the Bavarian Army means he was alive after 1905, but the lack of any World War I decorations means he may have died before the war (so no WW1 medals) or during the war (so no remounting of the medal bar). At least a major, possibly up to colonel. The Bavarian regiment most closely associated with Braunschweig was the 1. schweres Reiter-Regiment, in which Duke Ernst August was a lieutenant and later a la suite.
spolei Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 The Jubilee Medal for the Bavarian Army means he was alive after 1905, but the lack of any World War I decorations means he may have died before the war (so no WW1 medals) or during the war (so no remounting of the medal bar). At least a major, possibly up to colonel. The Bavarian regiment most closely associated with Braunschweig was the 1. schweres Reiter-Regiment, in which Duke Ernst August was a lieutenant and later a la suite. Hello, I have to look, when the crown of the MVO was awarded. I think it was also in 1905. On the bar, I'm missing the Centenarmedal. The officer has the servicemedal for 24 years, so the medal was given to him. Regards Andreas
Dave Danner Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Hello, I have to look, when the crown of the MVO was awarded. I think it was also in 1905. On the bar, I'm missing the Centenarmedal. The officer has the servicemedal for 24 years, so the medal was given to him. Regards Andreas Bavarians normally did not receive the Centenary Medal. Among serving soldiers who were not veterans of 1870/71, it was mainly only awarded to members of regiments stationed in Alsace-Lorraine in 1897. These were: Stab 10.Inf.Brig. (Metz) Stab 5.Kav.Brig. (Dieuze) 4.IR (Metz) 8.IR (Metz) 3.ChevR (Dieuze) 5.ChevR (Saargemünd, except for 2./5.ChevR in Zweibrücken) II./23.IR (Saargemünd) I./2.FußAR (Metz) IIII./2.FußAR (Metz) There were also a number of random awards for which I am unsure of the specific reason. Some are because they were commanded to Prussian units at the time of the award. Among these, for example, was Anton Ritter von Löhr. Then Second-Lieutenant Löhr was at the Prussian Militär-Turnanstalt from 1.10.1896 to 1.8.1897. But if you look at the Militär-Handbuch des Königreichs Bayern nach dem Stande vom 1. Dezember 1897, you can see that most Bavarians did not have the medal. Regards Edited March 4, 2013 by Dave Danner
Signalcorps45 Posted March 4, 2013 Author Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) A lot of great information here, thanks to all who commented. Dean Edited March 4, 2013 by Signalcorps45
Signalcorps45 Posted March 4, 2013 Author Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Bavarians normally did not receive the Centenary Medal. Among serving soldiers who were not veterans of 1870/71, it was mainly only awarded to members of regiments stationed in Alsace-Lorraine in 1897. These were: Stab 10.Inf.Brig. (Metz) Stab 5.Kav.Brig. (Dieuze) 4.IR (Metz) 8.IR (Metz) 3.ChevR (Dieuze) 5.ChevR (Saargemünd, except for 2./5.ChevR in Zweibrücken) II./23.IR (Saargemünd) I./2.FußAR (Metz) IIII./2.FußAR (Metz) There were also a number of random awards for which I am unsure of the specific reason. Some are because they were commanded to Prussian units at the time of the award. Among these, for example, was Anton Ritter von Löhr. Then Second-Lieutenant Löhr was at the Prussian Militär-Turnanstalt from 1.10.1896 to 1.8.1897. But if you look at the Militär-Handbuch des Königreichs Bayern nach dem Stande vom 1. Dezember 1897, you can see that most Bavarians did not have the medal. Regards Thanks Dave for clearing up that Bavarians normally did not receive the Centenary medal. This bar was not making sense if the wearer should have received the Centenary medal. It appears his service was in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Edited March 4, 2013 by Dave Danner Fix typo in quoted text
WNickel Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BDA24 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BJM 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BMVO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bra BrHdL 3b 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Pr PRAO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BDA24 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BJM 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BMVO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bra BrHdL 3b 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Pr PRAO 4 mKr 16.05.1914
Signalcorps45 Posted March 4, 2013 Author Posted March 4, 2013 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BDA24 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BJM 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BMVO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bra BrHdL 3b 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Pr PRAO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BDA24 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BJM 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BMVO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bra BrHdL 3b 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Pr PRAO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 I am not trying to be difficult, but I do not know what this means, please explain. Dean
tyanacek Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 I am not trying to be difficult, but I do not know what this means, please explain. Dean Hi Dean, It's a really beautiful medal bar. I think WNickel is telling you that this bar belonged to Oberstleutnant außer Dienst Baron von Sartor auf Gansheim. Congratulations! Best regards, Tom
Komtur Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) ... I think WNickel is telling you that this bar belonged to Oberstleutnant außer Dienst Baron von Sartor auf Gansheim. ... Exactly! To help ID your bar was your question and he did Regards, Komtur From Militär-handbuch des Königreichs Bayern 1914: Edited March 4, 2013 by Komtur
Signalcorps45 Posted March 6, 2013 Author Posted March 6, 2013 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BDA24 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BJM 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BMVO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bra BrHdL 3b 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Pr PRAO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BDA24 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BJM 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bay BMVO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Bra BrHdL 3b 16.05.1914 100110327 Freiherr von Sartor auf Gansheim Karl Bay OTL aD J Pr PRAO 4 mKr 16.05.1914 WNickel Thank you sir, for helping me ID this bar. Dean
Signalcorps45 Posted March 6, 2013 Author Posted March 6, 2013 Tom and Komtur, Thank you for your assistance. This is my first named bar and I am very happy that it could be ID'd Dean
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