Craig Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 I believe that the Germans issued a badge similar to the Tank destruction badge for shooting down aircraft with small arms.! Is there any evidence this badge existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Its possible - they issued badges for just about everything else! wub.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 It was instituted on 12th Jan 1945 but it is believed only awarded on paper. Due to the late stages of the war the badge is highly unlikely to have been ever made. You do see repro's about that give an idea of what it would have looked like. It looks like the tank destruction badge but instead of a panzer has a small fixed wing aircraft in the center. It was awarded along the lines of the tank destruction badge i.e. to shoot down the aircraft single handed but not as part of a flak battery etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikster Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 The award did exist as a 1957 award,look here.http://www.panzergirl.com/miscpage2.htmlI hope this does not constitute a shameless plug!Cheers, Rik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 You would have to be a bloody good shot to shoot down a plane from 1957!!! Or did hand-held SAM's count?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 1957 awards were denazified awards officially instituted by the West German Government in 1957 to replace Third Reich Awards issued to WW2 veterans. Generally the design of the awards was the same as the original WW2 awards with the removal of the swastika and in many cases the eagle from the design. The awards were in general poorly made compared to their wartime counter parts. Although initial awards manufactured were of a comparable standard as wartime stocks where they still existed, were used in the process. Political awards were not included, but all combat, campaign and valour type awards were. Also combat awards that were awarded on paper but never manufactured were also manufactured in a 1957 type form this being an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuit Brown Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Ah , but Firefly, did you know that the British Army teaches that to fire at a Low flying jet at 1km, you should aim approx. 30 aircraft lengths ahead of the aircraft before starting to fire on full automatic.... No, I'm not joking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 :excl: :excl: :violent-smiley-017: :violent-smiley-017: :violent-smiley-017: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atilla Jones Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 Never seen any photos of it being worn, and the date of its institution makes it another of those awards existing on paper which stayed that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikster Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 Never seen any photos of it being worn, and the date of its institution makes it another of those awards existing on paper which stayed that way.←Stayed on paper until 1957Cheers, Rik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 If I may quote Detlev Niemann's 'Orders,Decorataions,Award Documents,Miniatures and Cases of Issue'. 7.0514 Tieffliegervernichtungs-AbzeichenSpecial Badge for Shooting Down Low Flying Aircraft. Gold - destruction of 5 aircraft. Black - desruction of 1 aircraft. Remarks; There is as yet no evidence that the badge was ever officially produced or awarded. A great book by the way, I'm not really into Thirdy stuff, but the book is beautiful, and so I bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuit Brown Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I must admit, the ww2 german stuff doesn't interest me. They were evil we weren't. We won , they lost.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim P Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Here is a picture of what it is supposed to look like from the book"Combat Medals of THe Third Reich".The author goes on to say one was brought back by his uncle in 1948,but I find that highly suspect.Jim P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 one was brought back by his uncle in 1948←By which time the fake manufacturers like Souval were already churning them out. I have yet to hear of an example of this award with anything remotely approaching good provenancee or the faintest chance of being pre-May 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim P Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 By which time the fake manufacturers like Souval were already churning them out. I have yet to hear of an example of this award with anything remotely approaching good provenancee or the faintest chance of being pre-May 1945. ← That was kind of my thought too.As if the author was trying to lend provenance to his piece by putting it in his book.Jim P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WAR LORD Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 There was NO intention of giving credance to the piece in the book. The fact that the piece was brought back from the region of Bielafed, dose preclude the Souval conection. His particular job was inteligence. His contacts and time in Germany were rather interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 There was NO intention of giving credance to the piece in the book. The fact that the piece was brought back from the region of Bielafed, dose preclude the Souval conection. His particular job was inteligence. His contacts and time in Germany were rather interesting.←How does the place it was brought back from ( I presume its Bielefeld) preclude it being made in Austria ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WAR LORD Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 He picked it up around 1945, with other items. Thus the conection with Austria would be a bit difficult. It was just the plane. Not on anybacking. He gave it to me as a toy in about 1947 when he was on leave in England. He thought it was a good play thing for a small boy. Not many toys at that time. Another point of interest, the Monopoly Game had a plane as these in 1950 as a counter. Possibly used these emblems as othere items were converted. The Army dagger ferrel was sold in the early 50's as rings in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fknorr Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I must admit, the ww2 german stuff doesn't interest me. They were evil we weren't. We won , they lost....This is pretty humorous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) Are there any photos or proof of even post war wear of this award? Has anyone ever seen a gold version on a legitimate 57 bar or tunic?Shooting down five aircraft... can you image the skill or luck? That would make the awardee an ace... technically!Paul Edited October 30, 2005 by Paul Reck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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