Serbia Serbia Royal Houshold Medal type 4

[paul wood]

I have just come across a Serbian Royal Household medal, Fourth type 1921-27, 'gold' medal, with crown, in case of issue. Looking at various sources I have not been able to find a similar piece, interestingly Car only illustrates a silver example. How rare are they, do they ever turn up in auctions in Belgrade?

Any help gratefully received.

Paul

[paul wood]

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3085-0-07538200-1378739095.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3085-0-98843400-1378739075.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3085-0-64452400-1378739041.jpghere are pretty bad images by yours truly

Paul

[Rogi]

It looks like it has the Croatian coat of arms, any luck on getting a closer picture of both sides?

[paul wood]

Ah I see it is also the sixth type (regency) 1934-41 however I can't see any obvious difference between the two types.

Paul

[paul wood]

It looks like it has the Croatian coat of arms, any luck on getting a closer picture of both sides?

I will see what I can do.

Paul

[Rogi]

I'll check my book if you give me a couple hours to update have to dig it out

[paul wood]

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3085-0-02616300-1378742648.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3085-0-81530800-1378742630.jpgHope this is better

Paul

[paja]

Greetings Paul,

Thanks for sharing those pictures. I have never seen a box like that before. Most of the post-1921 medals I saw were in simple cardboard boxes. How does the medal fit it? As far as I know only the Red Cross order had only the crown on the lid (can't remember anything else) and that one is much different from the one on your box. Generally speaking rest of the boxes from Yugoslav era had the name of the decoration inscribed on it or nothing at all and before that Serbian coat of arms. I would hate to be the bringer of the bad news, but could it be that this box is maybe for some other decoration, not even Serbian/Yugoslav? Is there any inscription on the inner side of the lid?

I believe that the 4th and 6th type of the Royal Household Medal are exactly the same.

On the front side of the medal is the House Coat of Arms of the Royal Family Karađorđević from that period (All three nations were represented, Serbs - Cross with 4 fire steels, Croats - Chessboard and Slovenians - Kranjska (Carniola) coat of arms) with Serbian crown from Nemanjić era and Order of the Saint Prince Lazar.

Edited September 9, 2013 by paja

[Rogi]

Greetings Paul,

Thanks for sharing those pictures. I have never seen a box like that before. Most of the post-1921 medals I saw were in simple cardboard boxes. How does the medal fit it? As far as I know only the Red Cross order had only the crown on the lid (can't remember anything else) and that one is much different from the one on your box. Generally speaking rest of the boxes from Yugoslav era had the name of the decoration inscribed on it or nothing at all and before that Serbian coat of arms. I would hate to be the bringer of the bad news, but could it be that this box is maybe for some other decoration, not ever Serbian/Yugoslav? Is there any inscription on the inner side of the lid?

I believe that the 4th and 6th type of the Royal Household Medal are exactly the same.

On the front side of the medal is the Karađorđević's coat of arms from that period (All three nations were represented, Serbs - Cross with 4 fire steels, Croats - Chessboard and Slovenians - Kranjska (Carniola) coat of arms) with Serbian crown from Nemanjić era and Order of the Saint Prince Lazar.

It should be in the Yugoslavian and Serbian orders and medals book, I've seen a couple variants of this one in there. Just have to fish it out wasn't sure if it was all croat since they have a very similar design on one of the Croatian medals.

[Great Dane]

Hi Paul,

The box looks very Danish to me (I have several similar ones).

Any photos of the inside?

/Michael

[paja]

It should be in the Yugoslavian and Serbian orders and medals book, I've seen a couple variants of this one in there. Just have to fish it out wasn't sure if it was all croat since they have a very similar design on one of the Croatian medals.

That coat of arms even though not Croatian is with their chessboard. Here are couple of nice pictures of it I found online.

House Coat of Arms of the Royal Family Karađorđević, reconstructions by Aleksandar Palavestra and Dragomir Acović

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-7937-0-52327000-1378748124.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-7937-0-20839400-1378748181.jpg

Edited September 9, 2013 by paja

[paul wood]

The medal fits as snug as a bug as you can see there isa spce for a triangular ribbon which rules out a Danish case

Paul

[Elmar Lang]

Hello,

Many years ago, I've had this same medal, also in bronze and found in Italy, in a case that was exactly the twin of the one shown by Paul...

No further technical info about it though...

Enzo

[paul wood]

Thanks Enzo

Paul

[Great Dane]

Definitely not a Danish box

Thanks for the photo.

/Michael

[obi007]

What about this one , looks like case for order of takovo III Class but doesn't have Serbian coat of arms???

[Elmar Lang]

After an excavation campaign in my studyroom, I've found the book I was looking for: P. Car - / T. Muhic: "Serbian and Yugoslavian Orders & Decorations 1859-1941": on page 509, appears this same medal, in gilt bronze: Medal for Services to the Royal Household, 6th Model (1934-1941).

Edited September 13, 2013 by Elmar Lang

[Milzzar]

Hi people,

Does anyone knows hom much this medal 4th type -silver medal with crovn- is worth with original document? I see that documents are very rear and hard to find.

Thanks

Milos

[paul wood]

Milos most interesting do you have an image of the document.

Paul

[Milzzar]

Yes I have.

Here is the attachment

[Milzzar]

P.S. just brought it for 160 euro and I think its worth every cent

[paja]

Greetings Milos,

Thanks for sharing those pics with us. Can I ask where did you get that medal? Because I saw it in Serbia, I think that the ad for it is still active, and the price is a bit lower.

Edited October 1, 2013 by paja

[paul wood]

Milos thank you very much for the picture. I think at 160 euros you did well, the documents are always much rarer than the awards.

Paul

[paja]

Document for 3rd class medal (but 3rd type 1903-1921) from 1920 got sold on ebay 5 or 6 months ago for almost 200$...

[Milzzar]

Greetings Milos,

Thanks for sharing those pics with us. Can I ask where did you get that medal? Because I saw it in Serbia, I think that the ad for it is still active, and the price is a bit lower.

Yes it is still there but I have brought it. It had a byer so I needed to offer more for it.