Soviet Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

[slava1stclass]

... and I don't think, that the happy buyer is among our GMIC-members .

Best regards

Christian

To all:

You never know...

Regards,

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

... and I don't think, that the happy buyer is among our GMIC-members .

Best regards

Christian

To all:

You never know...

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Ed_Haynes]

To all:

You never know...

Regards,

slava1stclass

Do you hint at something, "slava"??????????

To tease us thus and then withhold information would be most, er, um, well, "ungentlemanly"?

[Christian Zulus]

Do you hint at something, "slava"??????????

To tease us thus and then withhold information would be most, er, um, well, "ungentlemanly"?

Who knows, maybe "slava1stclass" is the happy owner of these extraordinary gems ?

He already has a large (the largest ?) collection of Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory sets .

Best regards

Christian

[new world]

Do you hint at something, "slava"??????????

To tease us thus and then withhold information would be most, er, um, well, "ungentlemanly"?

I take his double post as a hint

[slava1stclass]

Who knows, maybe "slava1stclass" is the happy owner of these extraordinary gems ?

He already has a large (the largest ?) collection of Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory sets .

Best regards

Christian

To all:

Now that's the ticket.

Regards,

slava1stclass

Edited October 18, 2007 by slava1stclass

[Ed_Haynes]

And . . . . . . . .

A "gentleman" is not cruel.

[slava1stclass]

And . . . . . . . .

A "gentleman" is not cruel.

To all:

I certainly concur.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Christian Zulus]

Now that's the ticket.

Dear "slava1stclass",

please, could you explain the meaning of "now that's the ticket" (many of us are no native speakers of English ) ?

Does it mean, that you bought all the extraordinary groups from Igor AND that you have the largest collection of Glory-Trios ?

Best regards

Christian

[Ed_Haynes]

Dear "slava1stclass",

please, could you explain the meaning of "now that's the ticket" (many of us are no native speakers of English ) ?

Or, maybe, that he's (she's) not a "gentleman"??

[slava1stclass]

Does it mean, that you bought all the extraordinary groups from Igor

AND

that you have the largest collection of Glory-Trios ?

Best regards

Christian

To all:

No to the first and quite possibly to the second.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Christian Zulus]

No to the first and quite possibly to the second.

Dear "slava1stclass",

congratulations .

In my view, the Glory is the most important Soviet Military Award of the GPW, besides the Victory (both had been issued at the same day ).

So you might become the 2nd "Lord Ashcan" for the "Order of Glory", instead the Britisch VC .

Michael Ashcroft has more than 150 VCs in his collection:

http://www.victoriacrossheroes.com/

http://www.lordashcroft.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ashcroft

Best regards

Christian

[slava1stclass]

To all:

There has been a real dearth of Full Cavalier sets for sale on the open market. The last Full Cavalier set on the open market (late September 2007) had an asking price of $21,000.00.

Given that a single Glory 1st sold for $11,000.00 at a NYC dealer's recent internet-based auction, it is not unreasonable to expect the price for Full Cavalier sets to soon cross the $30,000.00 threshold (if not higher).

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Elmar Lang]

Hello,

quite far from the top-quality of other complete sets of Full Cavalier, here it is my Slava 1st Class, bought very long time ago.

I find this order in all its 3 classes as highly interesting, strictly bound to the historical St. George Cross for Soldiers.

Best wishes,

Enzo

[Christian Zulus]

Dear Enzo,

well preserved Glory 1cl with a nice gold-patina .

The name of the full cavalier is Юдин Павел Александрович (Pavel Aleksandrovich Yudin).

Glory 1cl: s/n. 1157

Glory 2cl: s/n. 25495

Glory 3cl: s/n. 64860

http://www.mirnagrad.ru

Seems, that comrade Yudin got his Glories in 1944 .

Did you do any research or do you have the entry of Yudin from that reference book: http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=4206 ?

When and where did you bought your Glory 1cl - which price ?

Very long time ago, you got such nice single Glory 1cl for around EUR 1.000,- ....

Best regards

Christian

[Christian Zulus]

Full Cavalier set of the 1st category vs. early labor screwbacks

...., it is not unreasonable to expect the price for Full Cavalier sets to soon cross the $30,000.00 threshold (if not higher).

Dear slava1stclass,

if you have a look at the hammer prices (+ the 15 % buyers premium!) of all the early republican labour screwbacks at Dimitry's NY-auction, then USD 30.000,- for a Glory-Trio of the 1st category appears like a bargain .

The fact is, that a Full Cavalier set of the 1st category is almost as rare, as most of these extremly high-prized labor screwbacks.

Another fact is, that a Glory-Trio has a different historic importance and more prestige as these labor awards of the 1920s and 1930s.

At the moment there seems to be a disproportion in market value ....

Best regards

Christian

[Elmar Lang]

Hi Christian,

first of all, thank you very much for the information!, Now I'll go and look for Yudin's biography in "Kavalerij Ordena Slavy Trekh Stepeney", Moscow, Voyennizdat, 2000.

Thank you too for the further reference.

I've bought the piece back in 1993 in Milan, at the "Militalia" militaria show for 900.000,- Lire (approx. 450,- Euro).

The piece shows a lot of wear and a point is even slightly bent, but I agree, the patina and overall appearance are highly attractive.

Another question: what type of gold is that of the Slava 1st Class? I mean if 18, 22 or 24 Carats...

Thank you again and best wishes,

Enzo

[slava1stclass]

Another question: what type of gold is that of the Slava 1st Class? I mean if 18, 22 or 24 Carats...

Enzo

Enzo,

The standard gold purity for the Order of Glory 1st Class is 950 (23 karat).

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Elmar Lang]

Hello Slava,

thank you very much for the information!

Enzo

[Christian Zulus]

Dear Enzo,

congratulations - you made almost 2.000 % profit with your Glory 1cl within 15 years .

The fact is, that today you won't get a sloppy done 950-gold-copy of a Glory 1cl for EUR 450,-, because the price of the gold is much higher ....

For getting the full citation of your Glory 1cl, you have to get your award researched, because the citations in the reference book are very, very short and not very exactly. If you don't already have it, I can PM the e-mail-adress of our researcher, who has access to the archives in Podolsk, to you.

I don't know, how common the name "Yudin" is in Russia, but maybe there is some relation to Stalin's favorite pianist Maria Yudina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Yudina ?

Best regards

Christian

Hi Christian,

first of all, thank you very much for the information!, Now I'll go and look for Yudin's biography in "Kavalerij Ordena Slavy Trekh Stepeney", Moscow, Voyennizdat, 2000.

Thank you too for the further reference.

I've bought the piece back in 1993 in Milan, at the "Militalia" militaria show for 900.000,- Lire (approx. 450,- Euro).

The piece shows a lot of wear and a point is even slightly bent, but I agree, the patina and overall appearance are highly attractive.

Another question: what type of gold is that of the Slava 1st Class? I mean if 18, 22 or 24 Carats...

Thank you again and best wishes,

Enzo

[Christian Zulus]

Full Cavalier Yudin in the www

Dear Enzo,

I found that link in the www, where comrade Yudin is mentioned as a Full Cavalier of the Order of Glory:

http://www.moskow-obl.ru/about/clause/139/401557/

Best regards

Christian

[slava1stclass]

To all:

The ranking in Post # 1 above remains valid as of 17 July 2008. The distinct lack of Full Cavalier sets available for sale in the West continues.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

To all:

For those of you suffering from Full Cavalier withdrawal, here are a couple of sets to whet your appetite.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

...and another.

[hipnos]

...and another.

As a Collector and someone interested in the Slavas...I would to know if there is some book where the OB of the WW" Red army, listed their forces and situation at differents war years. I?m a researched Group Slava 3c, and the owner has too the "Liberation of Budapest" medal, he is in the 49 Shock Army and I would to know more about this unit?s moves...

thanks

Miguel