ccj Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 Has some engraving http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-2230-0-67943800-1407289763.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-2230-0-32984600-1407289842.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-2230-0-93512500-1407289856.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-2230-0-25624100-1407289867.jpg Detail
OTTER76 Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 I posted this on WAF. "Merck s/l. Bronsart z. fr. Erg. an 54 I.D Merck seinem lieben Bronsart zur freundliche Erinnerung an 54 Infanterie Division Please forgive my deutsch but in other words, the engraved EK you are looking at was a private purchase, IMHO, as a present from Merck to his fellow comrade Bronsart remembering their service time. And the date you do not mention, 15.7.16, I believe has to do with the western front battles. " Who won Emedals auction? Do you know? Cheers, Alex.
Bernhard H.Holst Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 Hello readers. The name Bronsart von Schellendorf is a prominent name. The 1913 rank list contains many including one who held the rank of General d. Infanterie. Bernhard H. Holst
ccj Posted August 7, 2014 Author Posted August 7, 2014 The engraving looks original to the period and its a very nice example. Is that an accurate translation?
OTTER76 Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 The engraving is indeed period from my point of view. Translation is accurate. I've seen a tankard engraved the same way.
gregM Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I am always leary of engraved crosses, especially when it involves the name of a general or other high profile person, All that being said, I like this one. The engraving looks like other examples I have seen.
ccj Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 54ID service record during. July 1916 From May to November 1916, the division saw extensive action in the Battle of Verdun, especially in the fight for Fort Douaumont. I hope for find out what Bronsart serviced in the 54ID. I wonder if he was a staff officer since the EK doesn't reference a Regt or Bn. Searching Bronsart certainly resulted in many Bronsart von Schellendorf soldiers before, during, and after WW1. A terrific EK to research.
OTTER76 Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Congrats! A very fine piece I would have had to fight for a little but more LOL.
ccj Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 I have been looking through the Rangliste and have the following. SO for I haven't been able to find data in what records I have available to see which Bronsart was attached to the 54ID. I would assume it was as a Staff position. Question: Do you guys think the date on the EK is for the date of action for the award or the date Merck and Bronsart were in the 54ID together? I'm not familiar with how and why Germans gifted awards to one another. Bronsart.pdf
ccj Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 Merck... Looks like the Merck persons I have found were all Lt in 1914 and Cavalry Officers. Merck.pdf
Eric Stahlhut Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 charles, that is a very nice cross. congratulations!
ccj Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 Thanks Eric, The research will be both exciting and stressful
ccj Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 54IDCommanders54. Infanterie-Division 1915-1918•From March 1915 Generalmajor Oskar Freiherr von Watter (Pour le Mérite 23 December 1917)•From March 1918 Generalmajor Ernst Kabisch (Pour le Mérite 9 October 1918)Calendar of battles and engagements54. Infanterie-Division (Westfront)03.04.-13.07.1915 Stellungskämpfe in der Champagne15.07.-23.07.1915 Reserve der O.H.L. und Transport nach dem Osten54. Infanterie-Division (Ostfront)23.07.-25.07.1915 Reserve Oberost25.07.-03.08.1915 Schlacht am Narew25.07.-27.07.1915 Narewübergang südlich Ostrolenka03.08.1915 Einnahme von Ostrolenka04.08.-07.08.1915 Schlacht am Orz-Bach (Goworowo) (Schlacht bei Wonsewo)07.08.1915 Maidan-Wonsewo-Trynosy08.08.-10.08.1915 Schlacht bei Ostrow11.08.-12.08.1915 Schlacht bei Tschishew-Sambrow13.08.-18.08.1915 Verfolgungskämpfe am oberen Narew und Nurzec19.08.-25.08.1915 Schlacht bei Bielsk26.08.-05.09.1915 Verfolgungskämpfe am Swislocz und an der Naumka-Werecia06.09.-07.09.1915 Schlacht bei Wolkowyszk08.09.-13.09.1915 Kämpfe um den Kotra-Abschnitt, bei Skidel und Lawna16.09.-17.09.1915 Schlacht an der Szczara und Jelnia17.09.-19.09.1915 Verfolgungskämpfe in den litauischen Sümpfen19.09.-01.10.1915 Reserve der O.H.L. und Transport nach dem Westen54. Infanterie-Division (Westfront)01.10.-08.10.1915 Reserve der O.H.L.09.10.1915-30.01.1916 Stellungskämpfe an der Aisne11.05.-09.09.1916 Schlacht bei Verdun18.05. 29.05.1916 Kämpfe um Höhe 30429.06.1916 Erstürmung feindlicher Gräben südlich des Camardwaldes30.06.-08.08.1916 Kämpfe um Höhe 30415.09.-03.11.1916 Stellungskämpfe vor Verdun24.10.1916 Kämpfe um Fort Douaumont und bei Fort Vaux04.11.1916-23.02.1917 Stellungskämpfe zwischen Maas und Mosel bei Flirey24.02.-09.04.1917 Stellungskämpfe zwischen Maas und Mosel bei Richecourt, Seicheprey und Flirey11.04.-27.05.1917 Doppelschlacht Aisne-Champagne28.05.-30.06.1917 Stellungskämpfe bei Reims01.07.-27.07.1917 Stellungskämpfe in der Champagne02.08.-19.08.1917 Schlacht in Flandern20.08.-19.11.1917 Kämpfe in der Siegfriedstellung20.11.-26.11.1917 Tankschlacht bei Cambrai15.12.1917-21.02.1918 Stellungskämpfe in Lothringen22.02.-25.03.1918 Ausbildung und Reserve25.03.-06.04.1918 Große Schlacht in Frankreich31.03.-05.04.1918 Kämpfe zur Erzwingung des Avre-Überganges bei Moreuil07.04.-19.04.1918 Kämpfe an der Avre17.04.-18.04.1918 Kämpfe um den Brückenkopf Moreuil22.05.-24.06.1918 Kämpfe an Ancre und Somme24.07.-07.08.1918 Kämpfe an der Avre08.08.-03.09.1918 Die Abwehrschlacht zwischen Somme und Oise28.08.-03.09.1918 Schlacht am Nordkanal bei Nesle und Noyon29.08.-03.09.1918 Schlacht auf den Höhen von Chevilly und Noyon04.09.-18.09.1918 Kämpfe vor der Siegfriedfront19.09.-08.10.1918 Abwehrschlacht zwischen Cambrai und St. Quentin09.10.-04.11.1918 Kämpfe vor und in der Hermannstellung05.11.-11.11.1918 Rückzugskämpfe vor der Antwerpen-Maas-Stellung12.11.1918-12.01.1919 Räumung des besetzten Gebietes und Marsch in die HeimatSources•Ruhmeshalle unserer alten Armee, 5th edition, Berlin•Die Schlachten und Gefechte des Grossen Krieges 1914-1918, compiled by the Grosser Generalstab, Berlin 1919•Histories of 251 Divisions of the German Army which participated in the War (1914-1918) - compiled from records of Intelligence Section of the General Staff, American Expeditionary Forces, at General Headquarters, Chaumont, France, 1919•Mecklenburgisches Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 90 1914-1918, Arthur Pries. Oldenburg/Berlin 1925
ccj Posted August 16, 2014 Author Posted August 16, 2014 So far ole caudle can't narrow don't owner or gifter
ccj Posted August 16, 2014 Author Posted August 16, 2014 There are two sets of Bronsarts and Mercks that began the war in the same regiments. Lt Bronsart and Lt Merck serving in Dragoon Rgt 18 and OberßtLt Bronsart and Lt Merck in Dragoon Rgt 18. I don't see a connection with either set serving in the 54th ID in 1916. All of the Mercks I found were Dragoon officers which I find very interesting. There are 3 Major Bronsarts who were General Staff Officers and a couple who were Schützen and Jäger officers. I don't know if July 15, 1916 was Bronsart award date for the EKI date or an eventful day for the two men. On 15 July, the French conducted a larger counter-attack which gained no ground; for the rest of the month the French made only small attacks. I wish Rick L was with us....
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 You have one of each of them in the Dragonner Regiment 18.... which was Mecklenburg.... as was half the 54 ID..... That I think may be the link....
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 Although the regiment itself seems to have been on the eastern front for the war, many cavalry officers seem to have served in other functions....
ccj Posted August 17, 2014 Author Posted August 17, 2014 I can't find out any information on Merck and if he survived the war or was promoted. So far I haven't found him in 1919
ccj Posted August 17, 2014 Author Posted August 17, 2014 How can I find the wartime awards of the Bronsarts list in my Sheet? In particular the two Dragoon Bronsart officers.
Glenn J Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 Charles, Chris, a tenuous link I have found.: An Oberleutnant Bronsart v. Schellendorff on the staff of 54. Infanterie-Division was awarded the Mecklenburg Militär Verdienst Kreuz First Class on 20 March 1917 Leutnant der Reserve Merck of Fußartillerie-Bataillon Nr. 54 (54. I.D.) was awarded the same decoration on 24 March 1917. I would hazard the guess that the Oberleutnant was the peacetime active DR 18 Leutnant (Walter), retired as a Rittmeister. Of course Merck could still be one of the two reserve officers of that name originally from DR 18: Karl and Theodor. Regards Glenn
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