Red Eagle Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Here I will show you the anatomy of a prussian crownorder 3rd class manufactured by H&S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red Eagle Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 GreetingsRed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Can you show us the inside as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Another inside?The inside of the center ring?Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 ...into the cross arms?! Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 OK, I will do my best, if I have some daylight tomorrow.The inside of the arms is partly filled with brownish-red mass.Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Here comes a look into a cross arm, but it is filled with a crumbly, brownish-red mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Here an other look to a outer solder joint of a cross arm.Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Good stuff! I don't think many people did have a chance to see inside a cross and realize that they are all hollow. Edited March 14, 2006 by medalnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I was wondering if I could ask a question about the construction of a crown order 4th class. I have a very nice cased order that is set up on an Austrian ribbon. Neither the case nor the award are marked. The unusal thing about the award is that there is a very small hole drilled through the award between to the right of the top arm and exits to the left of the bottom arm. The hole has been carefully pinned and is almost unnoticable. Any ideas as to why it would have been constructed this way? [attachmentid=30787][attachmentid=30789] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red Eagle Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 Sorry, I don?t know.Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 This is to hold the center in place. allmost all order decorations have that. Using just the normal resin could have been fine, but still carried the risk of heating up in and making the resin soft. This could cause the center medaillion to turn of fall out. the wire prevented that from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 AndreasThank you for the information. I had assumed that the center of these was hollow to lighten the medal. Besides the resin glue, how would the medallions have been attached to the pin/wire? Or was there a seperate center that the pin held and the medallions were glued to that?RedIt does not look like your 3rd class has this attachment. Was the center hollow on yours or was there some sort of insert the medallions were attached to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 As I mentioned, the wire can be found on almost all order decorations. Older pieces like the one Red pictures does not neccessary have that. the jewelers learn those days......The wire goes through the cross as well as through both parts of the medaillion:[attachmentid=30855][attachmentid=30856] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 On 11 o?clock on the picture with the inner view of the crownmedaillon, you can see the hole of the attachment. My crownorder have it, too.First I understand you mean a hole into a crossarm.The pin of this attachment is lost.Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Hi Andreas,Obvious, but still worth mention - this pin system also aided in the proper alignment of the center medallions. Also, are you aware of this ?pin system? having been used on stars; or was that negated by the screw off back plates?Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Hi Andreas,Obvious, but still worth mention - this pin system also aided in the proper alignment of the center medallions. Also, are you aware of this ?pin system? having been used on stars; or was that negated by the screw off back plates?Wild CardAbsolutely. We are looking at quite a chnage of craftmanship over one century.The early Prussian stars made predominantly by Hossauer use the same pin system. Later pieces (already Humbert & Sohn, Hanff & Zimmermann) are taking advantage of the very smart screw back system. Yes, sometimes the medaillion still moves, but on an economical level it was still the best way to make those stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stijn David Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Hello, Here is a similar thread http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5545&hl=hohenzollernCordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMPERIAL QUEST Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) Great shots of the 3rd. class. I have a mint cased, and cartoned example on lay-away. As soon as I get it out I will post photos. Edited May 17, 2006 by IMPERIAL QUEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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