Unknown Imperial award on general

[ccj]

I never seen such an award as this on the general's uniform. Can ampnyone ID the award and the man? I see he is a Badener...

[Chip]

Charles, 

Which is the one that you have not seen?

[Eric Stahlhut]

wow, i've never seen that one before, either!

 my best guess is that it could very well be a weimar-era military vet's organization award, and this picture was taken during the very early, initial stages of the third reich. 

only thing missing on this character is his monocle!

here's a link to something similar, but absolutely not the same as the above cross that charles is curious about, which could have enameled arms

 

[ccj]

It's pre-war service cross 1914-1918 too. 

The General has a wonderful look about him and I love his medal bar and his Ernestine higher order. 

We're referring to the breast badge to the left of the EK1

[HeikoGrusdat]

can you make a good closeup scan of this cross?

[ccj]

We're referring to the breast badge to the left of the EK1.

Best I can do. Looks like a horse but may also be a dragon. Idk

 

[HeikoGrusdat]

I really can`t see it very good....but as he clearly is a Badener it could be of course a Greif , the crest animal of Baden , that would look similar to a dragon....but I have never seen this cross before.

[ccj]

Thanks, I wonder if it's enameled. 

[KIR]

8 hours ago, ccj said:

We're referring to the breast badge to the left of the EK1.

Best I can do. Looks like a horse but may also be a dragon. Idk

 

Hi,
the "Deutsches Reiterkreuz" (since 1969) makes no sence.

http://www.die-deutschen-orden.de/ordensuebersicht/bundeslander/bundesauszeichnungen/deutsches-reiterkreuz-der-reiterlichen-vereinigung-gold/

I have no idea. Best regards,
Jens

[GreyC]

Hi,

can´t say anything about the general, but the photographer seems to have been Louis Held, a nationally renkown photographer from Weimar. The first word in 2nd line is, I think,  either "Gau" or "Bau"

GreyC

Edited April 30, 2017 by GreyC

[Glenn J]

The gentleman is Generalleutnant Eginard Eschborn, long-time commander in WW1 of Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 21. I don't immediately recognise the cross but here is a close up.

Regards

Glenn

 

[ccj]

8 hours ago, KIR said:

Hi,
the "Deutsches Reiterkreuz" (since 1969) makes no sence.

http://www.die-deutschen-orden.de/ordensuebersicht/bundeslander/bundesauszeichnungen/deutsches-reiterkreuz-der-reiterlichen-vereinigung-gold/

I have no idea. Best regards,
Jens

It looks almost just like the award you reference. I wonder if there was a Weimar version. It certainly appears to be extremely similar.

 

 

Thanks Glenn. I'm going to research the man to see if his bio or ww1 photos are on line.

 

 

[GreyC]

Good evening gentlemen,

the photo was taken between 1930 the earliest and prior to Aug 1939 but at that time still recent, as the General mailed a copy of it to the State Archiv then. The Generalleutnant a.D. was first listed a citizen of Weimar in 1931, however there is no address-book of 1930. So theoretically he could have lived there from late 1929/1930 onwards.

See: https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/NPJFZIAVBVJSUZERB64TU22YYVAEATHJ

GreyC

Edited April 30, 2017 by GreyC
addition

[GreyC]

Hi there seems to have been a commemorative medal with the profil of his in 1917 and 1918:

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=922&lot=32119

and

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1304766

and he seems to hae been promoted to SA Brigadeführer in 1942 (or someone with the same name).

http://www.linkfang.de/wiki/Liste_der_SA-Brigadeführer

GreyC

Edited April 30, 2017 by GreyC

[bolewts58]

As far as I know this is a Weimar Era Deutsches Reiter-Verdienstkreuz and differs from the 1969 version as the arms were pebbled and followed the familiar pattern of the iron cross as seen in the close-up and also had the letter 'R' at the base of the wreath. As with the post-45 Reiterabzeichen, the 'R' was omitted on the 1969 cross. The only one I have ever had in-hand was silver and made by Steinhauer u. Luck. But, they came in bronze, silver and gold.

If you look at post 138 and 139 in this link, you'll see what appears to be a gold version of the cross.

http://gmic.co.uk/topic/15277-post-your-r-reiterabzeichen-and-r-fahrerabzeichen/?page=6

 

Edited May 1, 2017 by bolewts58

[ccj]

Super! That's the badge and I must say I've never seen one. I've learned a lot about them from the thread you referenced.  

 

Thank you