notned Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I cannot belive the audacity of the fakers these days!!!!This surfaced on our favourite Evilbay...HaaaaaHaaaa!What a joke!comments welcome! Hee heeee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted April 6, 2006 Author Share Posted April 6, 2006 Oh! and hers the reverse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 ribbons too new.wrong precedence.funky lookin' back.anything else?joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Yes, there is. The Hamburg Hanseatic is on the wrong ribbon and from the looks of things, they buggered an original bar to make that monstrosity.Dan Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Yes, there is. The Hamburg Hanseatic is on the wrong ribbon and from the looks of things, they buggered an original bar to make that monstrosity.Dan MurphyGiven the other non-combatant awards, the last was probably orginally a War Honor Decoration (Kriegsehrenzeichen) from Hesse-Darmstadt (see below).Precedence would still be screwy, but it would fit with a non-combatant Saxe-Meiningen and Prussian Red Cross. The Cross for Merit in War on the non-combatant ribbon is pretty rare, though (about 664 awards). I have no idea how these non-combatant awards could fit with a Bavarian LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 David, the Sax-Meiningen is a war decoration, not a NC one?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 This bar is completely "bull....." The Saxe-Meiningen is an officers award, then a bavarian long service.... , Hamburg on Hesse or halfmoon ribbon, Kyffh?user in front of Hamburg, completely strange mounting style.... for me nearly everything is wrong!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I thought the war ribbon looked like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Don, yes, that is the correct "Combattant" ribbon.... I have never seen this "Non-Combattant" ribbon before. Anywhere. Not in the piles of "old stock" that have floated out over the years and not mounted anywhere.I would concur that last place is probably a Hessian War Aid Medal.I have great big bells ringing here....... and they are not the "I'm a fake" ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Sorta takes the term "parts bar" to a whole new level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I'm sorry, I've been thinking about this one... Take the Hamburg Cross off and we have an entirely possible and actually logical combination with that NC Sax-Meiningen Ribbon...... with the Kyffhauser present we are talking the roaring twenties on this bar. I think you guys are over-thinking this one....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Rick.... do you really think this one is possible???? With a bavarian Landwehr DA and no more bavarian MVK`s or anything like that AND no other DA`s - and then a Saxe-Meiningen officer award??? I don`t think so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Hi Heiko, yes I do think a Reserve Bavarian Officer can receive one S-M piece and nothing else from Bavaria... we see this many times. There's no shortage of Bavarians walking around with an EK2 and NOTHING from Bavaria!! Here's the thing for me...... I defy you to find a faker who has that Non-Combattant ribbon in his stock.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted April 9, 2006 Author Share Posted April 9, 2006 Not to mention the weird folding of the ribbons on the back...looks like a different person folded each ribbon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 very cool what a simple bar can cause a discussion like this... OK, Stogie - your words may make sense in general but my feeling on this special bar is not good... maybe someone can get it and check it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 If it was on the regular combattant ribbon...... we'd be having a very different discussion. It took Dave Danner to point out that it was a NC ribbon.... that's how common it is. After realizing david was right, I went back through all my archive photos and discs as well as all my notes and I cannot find a single instance of that ribbon being available for the last 8 years....... The different folds don't bother me, I think we're talking about a "home-made", 1920's bar here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Freitag, the chap from the Soltau area who always has the huge selection of modern ribbons at most militaria shows in Germany, also has quite an extensive stock of original ribbon, including the Sachsen-Meiningen non-com as shown above. He is the only source of that ribbon that I am aware of.Interesting bar! If a faker had access to that extremely rare Sachsen-Meiningen ribbon, I would be tempted to think that he would do something a bit more creative to maximise his chances with it rather than produce one like this. But who knows what goes on inside a fakers head.The combination is certainly unusual, but not entirely impossible, as Rick points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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