Guy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hello, I would like to ask your help for identifying 2 ribbons on a Belgian offciciers unifrom between 1930 and 1940. Thanks Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1-Officier Order of the Crown of Italy 2- Royal Victorian Order (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Thanks Guy. But I have a doubt about the order of the Crown Italy. I thought the order of the Crown is red / white / red This still has small red sides and I think it is red / white / red / white / red Both sides can easily be seen next to the Belgian centenary medal where the end is black. For the second ribbon I did mention that you are right. Are there lists of the Belgian officers who have received the Royal Victorian Order ? Regards Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 Perhaps Czech White Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) I agree with 922F. Czech White Lion, Officer grade. Edited March 23, 2018 by Herman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Thanks my friends But is there no difference in width in the white part between the White Lion and the ribbon on the uniform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Hello, the White Lion has different widths of colour strips. But it is quite possible that the officer was not able to obtain the correct ribbon and his medal dealer used similar one. If you know the name of the officer I would check if he was awarded by White Lion. Reghards Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Thanks Jan The officer's name is a problem. I would like to find out the name on the basis of the ribbons. I only know that the Belgian officer of the cavalry is and that this medal has been received between 1914 and 1940. If you have a list of Belgian officers who have received this medal, you can always email me. On this basis I can trace the officer's other medals and other information that the uniform tells me. This would be a good step in the direction of the name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) bilylev may be correct. White stripes do look too wide for White Lion--but do not appear to match Serb/Yugoslav White Eagle [and lack greyish hue] or Order pro Merito Melitensi either. Way too wide for Polonia Restituta. Not wide enough for Cuban Order of Merit and Honor [of the National Red Cross]... Issue--What award does ribbon in these proportions actually indicate if not one of the above? Edited March 24, 2018 by 922F spelchek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 I am not negative about the Whito Lion. But the whole is a strange combination to my own part. Here a clear view of the other ribbons On the crown order it is clear that the rosette is gone. For example, I do not see a militait cross A medal of war volunteer 14-18 this is strengthened by the crown on the ribbon of the commemorative medal. The beret for the commemorative medal I foresee that it corresponds to the injury mark on the sleeve. (would normally be a red cross) What also stands out, he has 2 x 4 loops on the ubniform for 2 breast stars. I am proud that this officer did not put all the ribbons on his uniform. In addition, the uniform has 7 frontstrips. My suspicion that this is before 1940 i. No ribbons from 1940-1945. The cut of the uniform and the pants are also typical 1930s Blue dress It has the grad of Lieutenant Colonel der Gidsen All this in conjunction with the 2 foreign symbols of honor must give a good guideline to find the name. I am aware that this is a lot of work to check a whole bunch of canidates on their files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Hello, following are belgian recipients of White Lion 4th class: Name Date of birth Date of award Remark ANSPACH, Paul 1882 2.3.1939 chairman (Fédération Internationale 'Escrime ) ANTOINE, Léon 1865 18.2.1927 journalist in St. Vith CARRON, Marcel 1892 20.10.1923 captain commandant DEFRAITÉUR, Raoul Laurent 1895 31.7.1935 staff captain of general staff Alexandre Gaspard DELCOURT, Félicien Francois 1889 20.10.1932 chairman of exibition comitee of Ghislain International exibition of catolic Press Bruxelles 1930 DETAILLE, René Georges 1898 17.10.1947 editor of Le Soir DIEPENRYKS, Pierre Jean 1896 1.12.1934 major FORGEUR, Edgar Marie 1877 30.6.1932 Commissioner of the Department of Constantin Electricity at the exhibition in Liege FRAIKIN, Joseph 1873 31.8.1927 bank director in Liége ISERENTANT, E. L. F. 1888 20.10.1923 captain commandant IWEINS DE WAVRANS, Gaston 1885 20.10.1923 Deputy Director at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs LEURQUIN, Raimond Jean 1885 26.9.1933 Deputy Director of Ministry of Foreign Affairs LIÉGEOIS, Camille 1876 30.6.1932 General director Ministry of Science and the Arts LOCHT, Alphonse 1885 30.7.1934 Legation Secretary of the Belgian Embassy in Prague LOICQ, Paul Léon Eugen 1888 12.2.1938 Chairman of the International Canadian Hockey League PARMENTIER, William Arthur ? 7.6.1934 captain, member of the Belgian king mission to Czechoslovakia for the purpose notification of the king's ascension to the throne RADIGUES DE 1889 31.8.1927 Deputy Director at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs CHENNEVIERE, Charles Marie Guillaume de REISDORFF, Achille Jean 1889 16.1.1931 Honorary Chairman of the International Federation of Veterans – FIDAC REYNDERS, Francois Jean 1876 18.2.1937 President of the International Journalism Léopold Union RODHAIN, Marie Joseph 1877 5.12.1936 Director of Maritime Companies RUZETTE, Etienne de 1894 20.10.1923 Legation Secretary in Bruges SILVAERTS, Charles 1888 31.12.1936 ltcolonel of the Health Service SMETS, Jean Joseph 1873 26.10.1936 Deputy Director of the Ministry of Justice SNOY D´OPPUERS, Jean- 1907 28.11.1936 Baron, Director of the Ministry of Charles Economic Affairs SNOY, Robert M. G. 1879 2.2.1928 Baron, Managing Director of the International Sleep wagons Company in Paris SUETENS, Maximilien Richard 1891 31.8.1927 General Director of the Ministry of Léon Marie Foreign Affairs VAN BAERLEM, Adolphe 1885 20.10.1923 deputy director Ministry of Foreign Affairs Jacques VAN CUTSEM, R. 1890 20.10.1923 captain, commandant VAN DER LINDEN, Fred 1883 27.4.1937 Journalist, member of the Belgian Colonial Council, former cabinet Chief of General Governor of Belgian Congo VANDERLINDEN, Ernest 1886 27.6.1928 a banker in Luxembourg, a former Czechoslovak honorary consul WERNER, Robert 1895 24.11.1928 honorary consul of Czechoslovakia in Antwerp, trader I hope this will help to identify the officer. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 Thanks Jan, It will take me some time to check the names and to find and see theirs files but sure I will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Could it be a Belgian Commemorative and/or Veterans Group/Society medal? They appear to be in this colour scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Herman, Thanks, it could be. But personally, I do not believe in this option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Well, then somebody used that Belgian ribbon to create a Czech White Lion on this ribbonbar. :-) Good luck with your search, Herman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Herman, can you given me a link tot this medal of your option ? Normally no ribbons of non-official medals may be worn on military uniforms in Belgium. But it is also the case that sometimes there is a case of sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Hello Guy, I checked my pictures and the Internet, but nothing similar in the Belgian medals. Even the Belgian Red Cross medals do not have a match with this typical red and white variation. However I did find a match for the ribbon. It's an unexpected one but the ribbon of the Danish Korea medal is a match. See the pictures below. Regards Herman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Hello Hereman, Does that medal have degrees? Because the rosette on the medal, strongly suggests that it is an officer grade of a medal. I also think that this uniform is to old for an korea medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 That medal doesn't have degrees and was awarded to people serving on the hospital ship only (and a few in supporting roles). /Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 What I meant to say was that they only used this ribbon and put a Czech officer grade attachment on top. I did not mean to say that this Belgian officer served on a Danish hospitalship or in a Danish unit. Just that the medal mounted used some different ribbon which looked close enough to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sorry Herman, misunderstanding I have heard that there is a book that contains the receivers of the Victoria medal. Does anyone have this book / books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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