Golden Lion Opinions Please

[sftrooper86]

Hello and Holiday Greetings to all my friends on this forum,

I recently acquired this 3 medal bar and am looking for any opinions on it as well as help identifying the class of Baden Lion. 

Thank you for any opinions and assistance,

Vince

[922F]

Looks like badge is gold or silver gilt so knight first class with swords.  

Edited December 8, 2018 by 922F
splcheck

[sftrooper86]

Should there be any markings on it if it, either way?

[922F]

Andreas is much more expert and is very willing to help -- www.medalnet.net -- ask him.  The English name for this award is the Order of the Zähringer Lion (ZLO).

Older ZLOs may have punch marks on the extruded ring or loop at the top of the cross, which is broader than yours.  Some of that type may have marks on the ribbon suspension loop/ring [a split jump ring like yours] above the cross ring.  Most later pieces have a narrow top of cross ring [like yours] without any space for marks although some are reported with a mark on the lower cross arm edge.  Some badges have closed ribbon rings rather that split jump rings.    

Edited December 8, 2018 by 922F
spelchek

[1812 Overture]

Friends, this one combination is great! I think the middle is the Cavaliers level 1, I have a Cavalier level 2. Level 1 is golden

[VtwinVince]

As I stated on the 'other forum', I'm not fond of this Schnalle, the ribbons appear very minty, the method of construction of the bar is weird, and I've never seen a OZL with a split ring suspension.

[sftrooper86]

32 minutes ago, VtwinVince said:

As I stated on the 'other forum', I'm not fond of this Schnalle, the ribbons appear very minty, the method of construction of the bar is weird, and I've never seen a OZL with a split ring suspension.

http://www.medalnet.net/Beauty_of_Old_Orders.htm

Here is the split ring, just FYI

[scottplen]

I do not like the way the ribbons are sewn together  ! The lion order looks ok to me ? But I’m no expert ! I have owned a few original 2nd class knight pieces and I know they finely made .  Are there repos of this award being made now ?  Is it finely made ? 

The castle in the center does not seem to me like it should ? flash Washing  ? Can you get better pics of the enamel work ? 

Edited December 8, 2018 by scottplen

[sftrooper86]

5 hours ago, scottplen said:

The castle in the center does not seem to me like it should ? flash Washing  ? Can you get better pics of the enamel work ? 

Difficult to photograph it, this is as good as I can do with my equipment. there are 2 small light wash marks to the top left of the castle but the rest is solid.

[scottplen]

The order seem good to me . But I do not like the medal bar for original  ! But if order is good  and price is right ? maybe you can  find an original ribbon ?  Knights 1st class of OZL very cool medal ! 

[VtwinVince]

The OZL is no doubt good, but the Schnalle itself I would not want in my collection.

[sftrooper86]

I agree, Thanks to all who sounded off!

Merry Christmas,

Vince

[Stogieman]

I'd have to agree. I think the pieces are good, I've owned several OZL over the years. But I think the bar is a "put-together".