Nicolas7507 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Hello, I just received these interesting ribbon bars with the Lippe House Order with Swords. I do not know any exact award numbers, but heard that those are extremly seldom. The second ribbon on the short ribbon bar is still unknown to me, maybe it is a KO4 or KO3 and the recipient decided to only wear his Wartime Awards on the longer ribbon bar? Any attempts for an ID would be greatly appreciated. All the Best, Nicolas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Sehr schön! Robert Strehle, geb. 1879 1914 Hauptmann Feuerwerkslaboratorium Siegburg, later at the WUMBA - Weapons and Ammunitions office. These rear area guys were usually extraordinary good decorated...as you can see. Your guess is right, Crown 4 on the shorter bar. Later most likely he did just wear wartime stuff. Greetings Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) Klasse! Thank you so much Daniel. That is great news. Do you have anything more concerning his career? I could not find him in the Reichswehr Ranklist 1928, but I guess he was retired until then. In 1913 he was Oberleutnant Feuerwerkslaboratorium Siegburg. All the Best, Nicolas Edited June 11, 2019 by Nicolas7507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 born 10.05.1879 in Sigmaringen-Hohenzollern- that explains his Hohenzollern 3rd class with swords, retired after WW1 as Captain. Most likely too young for a character bump to Major. His Lippe 4th class 1st Abt. was awarded 12.09.1917 Can check some other award dates as well later. Greetings Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 Thanks for the dates Daniel! All the Best Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Nicolas, Here is his short pre-war career. Sorry, nothing definitive about his wartime service, though, as Daniel said, he served with WUMBA, like the vast majority of those officers within the "technischen Instituten" Andy Robert Strehle (10.05.1879-??) 22.03.14-1914 Verwaltungsmitglied d. Feuerw. Lab. i. Siegburg 01.10.08-22.03.14 k.z. Dienstl. b. Feuerw. Lab. i. Siegburg 01.10.05-30.09.08 k.z. Militärtechn. Akad. 27.01.02-01.10.05 in 6./Feldart. R. 67 (Bischweiler) 27.01.02 Leutn. 23.03.01 Fähnr. Hptm. 08-10-14 S16s* Oberlt. 27-01-11 L8l Leutn. 27-01-02 Kk *ern. 22-03-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) Andy, Thanks for posting Strehle's Pre-War Career! Very helpful as always! By the way it seems that the Lippe House Order 4th Class with Swords 1.Abteilung was only awarded 82 times. Pretty interesting that a rear guy like Strehle was awarded by Lippe several times although being from Sigmaringen-Hohenzollern himself. Best regards, Nicolas Edited June 12, 2019 by Nicolas7507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Nicolas, You are very welcome. It is unfortunate that history tends to gloss over the contributions of those who did not serve on the front lines. Efforts of men such as Strehle to produce and improve the weapons and ammunition vital to the war effort are largely ignored. However, awards such as those he received show the importance of their work to those who understood their true value. Congratulations on a very nice set of bars!!! Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 That is very true, Andy. Thank you very much for your kind words. Despite the rarity of the Lippe House Order with Swords I could recently acquire another ribbon bar with it. Is there a possibility of IDing this one? I am not sure if the second ribbon is the Carl-Friedrich Order or just the Merit Medal. Alll the Best Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 good question, there were no holders of Karl Friedrich AND a LDH4 with swords, so I am fairly sure, this might be a silver merit medal to a guy later promoted to Lt. What makes me wonder is the fact the no Lippe War merit cross is there. Awards of the House Order without a previous War merit cross did happen, but quite rarely. Greetings Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 Thanks for your reply. The missing Lippe KVK is a bit strange, but I like the construction of the bar in general and do not see any red flags. Maybe just a rare exception? Best regards Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) ? Nice ribbonbar...would fit exactly in my collection! On his revers for the LDH4 with swords Robert Franz Strehle noted in the column "other awards and orders" on 12th September 1917: E.K.2 Pr.K.O.4 Bayr.Mil.Verd.Ord. 4 m. Schw. Würtb. Ritterkr. I Kl. m. Schw. des Friedr.Ord. Lipp.Kr.Verd.Kr. Hamb.Hanseaten Kr. Hess.Kr.Ehrenzeichen Regards Roman Edited June 14, 2019 by Solomon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 Hi Roman. thank you very much for the additional information on Robert Strehle! Best regards Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 13/06/2019 at 05:07, Daniel Krause said: good question, there were no holders of Karl Friedrich AND a LDH4 with swords, so I am fairly sure, this might be a silver merit medal to a guy later promoted to Lt. What makes me wonder is the fact the no Lippe War merit cross is there. Awards of the House Order without a previous War merit cross did happen, but quite rarely. Greetings Daniel Two possible scenarios: 1. The Kriegsverdienstkreuz was established on 8 December 1914. The first awards to IR 55 officers were on 13 December 1914 and the first awards to IR 55 NCOs and men were not until 26 May 1915. Before then, officers received the House Order and NCOs and men received the Militärverdienstmedaille. So there were some who received the LDH or the LMVM first, and never received the LK later. This would not fit with this ribbon bar, though, given the Baden Merit Medal, since he would have to have been an officer at the beginning of the war. 2. The formerly ruling House of Lippe made a number of retroactive awards in the 1920s and 1930s. Since the Ehrenkreuz was a house order, they had the authority to make awards, but the Kriegsverdienstkreuz was a state decoration. The last awards of the Kriegsverdienstkreuz were made in 1920-21, though many were backdated to November 1918. So this could have been a Badener who received the Merit Medal as an NCO, was commissioned a Lt., and was perhaps nominated for the Kriegsverdienstkreuz, but it was not approved in time. So after the war he contacted the former ruling house, and was awarded the Ehrenkreuz instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 Very interesting! Thanks alot Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas7507 Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 13/06/2019 at 10:47, Nicolas7507 said: That is very true, Andy. Thank you very much for your kind words. Despite the rarity of the Lippe House Order with Swords I could recently acquire another ribbon bar with it. Is there a possibility of IDing this one? I am not sure if the second ribbon is the Carl-Friedrich Order or just the Merit Medal. Alll the Best Nicolas Unfortunately this ribbon bar was lost during transport. If anyone sees it by chance, please contact me. Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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