Marne14 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 The only one of these I haven't seen at least once is the Greek unofficial type 2. I missed out on the other three when I saw them, but am holding out hope that someone will have an extra for trade, since the Riemer Belgian is also quite rare. Hi David, I'm sorry, but the Riemer Belgian is common... Regards Pierre-Yves
davidck Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Guess that shows what I know, but I've only ever run across two of them, and bought both.
Bilco Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Hi Gents, These two are both the Official Type 1, but one has a smaller ball and larger suspension ring than the other: The balls are just over .5mm different in diameter, while the rings are quite visibly different. Is this significant enough to call them sub-variants or varieties? Bill Edited October 22, 2014 by Bilco
RobW Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Hi Bill, Hi Gents, These two are both the Official Type 1, but one has a smaller ball and larger suspension ring than the other: The balls are just over .5mm different in diameter, while the rings are quite visibly different. Is this significant enough to call them sub-variants or varieties? Bill I have seen such variety and would attribute it to manufacturer variations. There are also variations in the finish of the medals as well with some having a very dark patina with others a more shiny surface. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Rob, Many thanks for your comments - there do seem to be several variations in the suspension of the Belgian Official. This one seems to have an oval ball rather than the usual spherical one: Bill Edited October 24, 2014 by Bilco
Bilco Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Hi Gents, Here is another small suspension ball Official Type 1 - I think it's been polished, rather than being the 'highly buffed' Type 2. The polishing shows that the suspension ball is a more coppery colour than the planchet: It may even be a replacement ball. Bill
GM1 Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 A new belgian Victory medal in my collection. There is NO Paul Dubois marking and look to the special suspension... Any idea which variant it could be? Best regards, GM1
Bilco Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Hi GM1, We have seen a similar suspension before - post # 111 on page 6. Bill
GM1 Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Hi GM1, We have seen a similar suspension before - post # 111 on page 6. Bill You're right Bill, it seems like the same suspension... although with a better finishing. I recall having seen such a suspension some years ago, but I can't remember the webpage... Thanks a lot! GM1
johnnymac Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 I don't care if we have seen it before it nice to see this section is not dead, GM1 thanks for the post. Bill thanks for the Ref #.
Paul Evenden Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 here is what i think is a type 1 for this sub section that i have
GM1 Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 A new belgian Victory medal in my collection. There is NO Paul Dubois marking and look to the special suspension... Any idea which variant it could be? Best regards, GM1 Just in case someone offers you this medal, it has been stolen from my collection during post handling in France. Thank you for your co-operation. GM1
lambert Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 here is what i think is a type 1 for this sub section that i have Yes for sure. but the ribbon is French.
Paul Evenden Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Thanks for the information Lambert much appreciated Paul
lambert Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Hi Gents,Interesting photo.Photo of an official chaplain veteran of WWI and WWII with their medals ..Lambert
Bilco Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Hi Gents, In his book Laslo says that the Belgian Victory medal was struck under contract by Establissements Jules Fonson, and examples have been found in Fonson wrappers, like this one: However, he raises the possibility that the vics were also made by other Belgian firms, and quotes one he calls Fibru Fish. This may be Fisch, and I have seen an example, although I don't have one at present: I have just acquired a boxed example of the Belgian vic, with the stamp of Ch Galere Decorations, 172 rue du Trone, Bruxelles: The medal and its ribbon look like they have had some wear, though I suppose it could have been kept in the box between wearings for many years.I would be interested in any comments, or examples of other manufacturers packaging. Bill Edited May 20, 2015 by Bilco Spelling mistake
lambert Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 Hi Bilco,Good example with the box, I never saw that. Congratulations on your purchase ..Lambert
RobW Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 Hi Bill,I have seen another example of a Belgian vic, in good condition, with no wear on the medal or ribbon, in another plain grey CH. Galère box.I have an undated catalogue of Establissment Charles Galère that shows the Belgian vic. In that regard it is likely that they produced the vic as it is listed for sale in their catalogue.Regards,Rob
oliver860 Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Hello, gentlemen! My recent purchase of the Victory Medal. My opinion: the official type 1. Pay attention to the bottom of the coin 6 hours! «Paul Dubois» no! Legs goddess located at some step! photo All comments are welcome!
Bilco Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Hi Oliver860, If you look on the reverse, just below the 6 o'clock on the central laurel wreath there is a little triangular space. Can you see any lettering there - either an 'R' or an 'LA' Bill
oliver860 Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 On 14.07.2016 at 21:23, Bilco said: Привет Oliver860, Если вы посмотрите на оборотной стороне, чуть ниже 6 часов на центральном лаврового венка есть немного треугольные пространства. Вы можете увидеть любые надписи там - либо 'R' или 'LA' Билл Hi, Bill! There is no "R" no "LA"! Oliver860
RobW Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 On 14/7/2016 at 15:21, oliver860 said: Hello, gentlemen! My recent purchase of the Victory Medal. My opinion: the official type 1. Pay attention to the bottom of the coin 6 hours! «Paul Dubois» no! Legs goddess located at some step! All comments are welcome! Hello Oliver, This example looks in similar condition to earlier examples posted in this thread (# 111 & # 237) albeit having a flat tab suspender. It is not unusual to see examples with a poorer strike and edge finish as these medals were produced by a variety of Belgian manufacturers. I would suggest that the die that was used for this example had a fair degree of wear and that underneath the edge, where the filing is present, there may be the remains of the designers name. I have seen other examples where the designers name is very clear and defined and others where it is poorly defined, weakly struck and quite difficult to see. This, combined with the original Belgian manufactured ribbon, suggests that this example was produced by an unidentified Belgian firm. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 Hi Gents, I'm after your opinions of this medal .... obverse reverse It has a small ball or very thick wire suspension, the 'Paul Dubois' is present but rather indistinct compared to Official type 1s I have, and the colour has a rather coppery, slightly shiney tone. The edge is clean and smooth, diameter 36mm. So, is it an Official Type 1 with an odd suspension, a well-made copy, or something else? Bill
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