numis Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Has anyone ever published numbers awarded of Indian Title badges ? If yes, details would be much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 The true expert, at least writing in English, is Ed S Haynes. He wrote this in the Journal of the OMSA: http://www.omsa.org/files/jomsa_arch/Splits/2013/459206_JOMSA_Vol64_5_07.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numis Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 Thank you. However the JOMSA text copied cuts off at JOMSA page 7 and there are no numbers issued quoted up until then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Peter, A very interesting JOMSA article. Thanks for posting it. Regards, Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner 1 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Table 1 from the article by Ed Haynes in the Sept-Oct 2013 JOMSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numis Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Thank you for posting the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Numis, To read full JOMSA articles, you may go to the OMSA website and select the JOMSA issue containing the article you wish to read. Searching by title yields only the first pages relating to the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) On 29/11/2020 at 09:32, numis said: Thank you. However the JOMSA text copied cuts off at JOMSA page 7 and there are no numbers issued quoted up until then Opps. My apologies. I don't think Ed uses this forum any longer but he is a member of OMSA, I assume, and of the South Asian Military Heritage Facebook page, if you want to try and contacvt him diurectly. Don't use my name! P Edited November 30, 2020 by peter monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The forum which Ed hosts is SAGONGS. I have been a member of the forum for 15 years. For anyone who has any interest in the ODM of the subcontinent it is a treasure house of knowledge. All you ever wanted ( or didnt even know you wanted) to know. p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) Gentlemen, To add a little to this thread. One of these badges, to a Moslem, sold recently on Spinks for 290 pounds. There is one for sale now on London Medals for 695 pounds. https://london-medals.co.uk/indian-title-badge-muslim-issue-3rd-class-for-khan-sahib-gvr-2nd-type-silver-and-enamel-awarded-to-saiyed-mohammad-on-1st-january-1934-scarce Regards, Gordon Edited December 2, 2020 by Gordon Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I have a Khan Sahib and Khan Bahadur pair to Munshi Ahmad Bukhsh GOI New Years Honours 1915 amd Birthday Honours 1917 paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Paul, Would you be willing to post pictures of these pair on the forum? Regards, Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 It will be post 21 dec as medals are at present inacessable p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Paul, Thanks. I can be patient. Regards, Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numis Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 I was interested to see the numbers issued for GV undated badges. Some of these were awarded to to those whose titles were granted before 1911 and were still alive in 1911 . I have one ( bought in a lot of three Gv Khan Sahib badges , the other two of which are now duplicates for disposal ) which was for a pre 1911 title grant to the Subadar Major of the Kurrum Militia. This was not apparent from the badge itself which only has the recipient name but no rank I was also interested to note that fewer awards were made to Muslims than to Hindus What the table does not show is how many ( probably not that many ) of the top two tiers were direct first time awards and not upwards promotions from a lower tier .I have one to a Khan Badahur who probably received the direct award because of considerations of status It would be interesting to know what proportion of the total awards were to Military recipients . Possibly some of these may have received the ITB where they were not deemed eligible for the OBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The relative numbers issued to Hindus and Muslims would likely be a reflection of the percentage of the population which each of the two groups represented in pre-Partition imperial India. Now, of course, the majority of the Muslims are in Pakistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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