bilylev Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Hello guys, I need two ribbons for this medal. Can you help? Regards Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) It is very rare ribbon There is internet site that sells reproduction Bulgarian ribbons Sometimes they were made from original materials I will try to copy it and list it Regards Here is the link to the site http://www.ribbonsshop.com/ Edited January 28, 2023 by Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I checked the site currently no such ribbons for sale You can ask the seller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 Ribbons shop is well known to every collector. I am buying from them regulary for years. Their quality is perfect. But you are right, this particular ribbon is not in their offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 He used to have You can ask him The golden rule is if you do not ask the answer is NO. He might have some left over material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 Yes Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Also there is a Bulgarian site called Balkan Auction, although i will not recommend it , unless you have friends in Bulgaria. You might have a look at this site Here is my Set of this decoration including rare Awarding Document and miniature Edited January 31, 2023 by Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 What nice medals, all 3 classes, a miniature and a diploma. Congratulations. I have only this 2 medals with wrong ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Still very nice and in very good condition Can you post the reverse of the medals You might be aware that there are two models with 4 and 5 lilies on the back I will keep on eye on the market if any comes i will let you know Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 The closest ribbon you can get is from eBay Germany The green strips are bit darker You can try to wash them to fade the green a bit or leave them as they are The item is Sächsische Herzogtümer - Ordensband - Kriegsdenkmünze 1814/15 / 023 Regards You can fold them as this 1st Class medal ribbon You can fold them as this 1st Class medal ribbon The closest ribbon you can get is from eBay Germany The green strips are bit darker You can try to wash them to fade the green a bit or leave them as they are The item is Sächsische Herzogtümer - Ordensband - Kriegsdenkmünze 1814/15 / 023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Here are reverses of my medals. What is the difference between variants with 4 or 5 lilies? Different producers? Thanks for advice. Better dark green German ribbon than no ribbon. I´ll buy them immediately. I have asked Ribbonshop bur no reply yet. I love Bulgarian ODM. I have small collection. Edited February 1, 2023 by bilylev Addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Good Good Luck If you noticed you have samples from both models The 1st Class is with 5 lilies and the 3rd Class is with 4 lilies on the reverse central medallions Regards Edited February 1, 2023 by Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 OK. Few questions. - all 3 classes can have variants with 5 or 4 lilies ? - what is the reason ? - I undestand that there was one producer, austrian co. Rothe. Or some other producer? - definately there must have been two dies. If one producer, than some restrike? Why, the numbers of awarded medals were small so the produced quantity was not too big. So there was no reason for another producer or restrike. Can you clarify? Thanks Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Hi, Good question. There was only one maker Rhote Vienna You can see all the marks on the firs Class ring The first awarding was on 28 of October 1887 and the last in 1906 The standard medal had 4 lilies on the back however there are medals from first Class with 5 lilies Why only the maker can tell us. There were no restrikes. Only there are existing bad quality fakes I have seen 2nd Class "upgraded with modern soft enamel very Good news all of those fakes are bad quality. The market value is the same Mainly from collectors point of view it is nice to have both variants of the first class but it is not a must. 1st Class -699 2nd Class 1019 3rd Class -475 Total -2193 were awarded during this period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 If you collect Bulgarian Orders and Decorations I recommend you to follow the Bulgarian Forums on the eastern Europe section Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 I had a very good friend, one big Bulgarian dealer but unfortunately he has passed away some years ago. But when I see how many fakes is now on the market I have decided to be sattisfied with the collection I have already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Wise decision Main problem is that many of the Original items are kept in private collections and demand is still there I also, have stopped active collecting. Only if something is rare and comes from trustworthy person/dealer/seller I will buy Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 100% agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 That is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Hi bilylev, This item just listed on eBay.com (USA) Bulgaria Medal Ribbon ORDER ROYAL Medal ascent of Prince Ferdinand I 1887 it is Austrian folded type Seller stated it is made in 1990 from original materials You can ask him if he has more then one Regards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Look at item 325503912188 ribbon edges. Easily visable edge looks to be chain-stiched rather than warp & weft. Maybe that vendor means ribbon made in the 1990's? German origin ribbon above appears to be warp/weft construction so more appropriate with insignia manufacture compatable/contemporary terms. And...both seem to be similar green color shade. Make-it-yourself triangle ribbons with gromet & hook fastener is possible but several commercial providers [Austria, Croatia, etc.] can do it for a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Hi 922F, I agree, however this is as close as possible to the 100 years old original ribbon Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I remember seeing ribbons which were closer to the originals, but that was years ago. I doubt we will see better quality ribbons offered again, as they seem to be too much trouble to make and demand is really low. Think about it - how many people in the entire world would want a ribbon for a medal dedicated to coronation of a King from a tiny country which took place over 100 years ago? Perhaps couple people if that many... It's better to make ribbons for more common and popular awards, such as Iron Cross or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 18 hours ago, new world said: I remember seeing ribbons which were closer to the originals, but that was years ago. I doubt we will see better quality ribbons offered again, as they seem to be too much trouble to make and demand is really low. Think about it - how many people in the entire world would want a ribbon for a medal dedicated to coronation of a King from a tiny country which took place over 100 years ago? Perhaps couple people if that many... It's better to make ribbons for more common and popular awards, such as Iron Cross or similar. I agree those ribbons are left overs from the recent "old" days i suspect made from left overs ribbons, especially the not as popular as the one we are discussing now Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilylev Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 I don't think the problem is the age of the medal. I know many older medals for which new ribbons can easily be purchased. But the point is that this Bulgarian medal was awarded in small quantities, so it doesn't appear much on the market, and therefore the demand for new ribbons is small, and that's why no one makes new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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