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    Hi Gentlemen, 

     

    I will be very grateful if you could give me your opinion on another Saxon medal bar currently on ebay.

     

     

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    I have few questions/concerns:

    1)+The ribbons from the bar have clear signs of wear and those signs seem to be uniform across different awards and the awards look good.

    -However the quality of the attachment of the awards/sewing of ribbons looks to me poorer compared to other officer Saxon bars seen on this forum but may be it is just because the bar was not kept properly. 

    -The sudwestafrika denkmunze is not attached at the same level as the other awards. 

    2)-Is the combination of the Albrechtsorden  1 class with crown and swords compatible with the Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1915 ?

    From what I saw on this forum, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1915 is generally present on non-combatant bars. 

    Unfortunately I could not check this award in the Rangliste der Königlich-Sächsischen Armee as I could find those only till 1914. 

     

    3) I saw on other thread of this forum (where from I borrowed some images) that the gross-namaland bar was faked a lot. 

    The one on this bar appears to me to be close to the ones from this thread:  

     

     

    this medal bar: 

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    other ones from this forum which seem to be close to it: 

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    All of those seem to have matching letter designs and the font. 

     

    However I found slightly different font on few bars from kunker: 

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    I would be very grateful for any comment on the above 3 points (or other of course). 

     

    Thank you a lot,

    Lucky

     

     

     

     

     

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    Hi

     

    I have found only 2 saxon officier who received SA3aXKr and KVK (which can match with this medal bar). But in my list I have no idea if those officers received the Colonial medal.

    It's the first time I see such claps on the colonial medal.

     

    Why there is no Prussian colonial medal like RAO4X or KO4X ?

     

    Christophe

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    Was it a general rule for officers acting in Colonies to receive those military awards ? 

    I agree that on most officer medal bars with colonial claps I can see have RAO4X or KO4X. 

    However I found those medal bars which do not have RAO4X or KO4X:

    https://www.suche-militaria.de/artikel/Ordenspange-mit-13-Auszeichnungen-1331280326.html

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alexander_Meurer_IMMH_Orden_4.jpg

     

    Also, I not sure if there is a list of officers participating in the sudwestafrika but I could find some of the Saxon officers with gross-namaland clasp in the book:

    https://brema.suub.uni-bremen.de/dsdk/content/structure/1905769

    Der Hottentottenkrieg

     

     

     

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    This is a bar that needs to be examined 'in hand', I agree that there are some discrepancies that are cause for concern. It is theoretically possible to have the KVK and the Albert, although some argue that this was against statutes. I have a bar with a KVK and war awards, so I think it was possible. The construction is not good, and the photo of the clasp is not sufficient to render an opinion.

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    • 10 months later...

    Gents,

     

    Sadly said, that this origin showed medal bar received two tranformations:

    Originally, it had no battle clasp and contained the non-combat medal of “Deutsch Südwest”.

     

    Hopefully, the current owner is registered here and see this obvious fraud?!

     

    BR,

    Chris

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