French Ordre des Palmes Académiques awarded to Austrian…Help needed

[Marcus66]

Hello all,

 

I just purchased this medal.  This is the french Academic Order of Palmes, however what makes this so unique is that it was awarded on a Austrian trifold.  This particular medal is a Type II which were awarded from approximately 1850-1955. It is gilded silver with purple enamels, marked with a boar's head and maker marked "A B R" within a diamond-shaped frame on the leafing just to the left of the ball suspension on the obverse, measuring 28.8 mm (w) x 40.8 mm (h) inclusive of its laterally-pierced ball suspension.  

 

What I am curious about is the Austrian relationship to this particular medal.  Conducting some preliminary online research, the only Austrian that I have been thus far able to identify receiving this award is Karl Ritter von Stremayr.  Due to this being a Type II medal, early issue, this puts the medal prior to 1955 and furthermore judging from the trifold construction, this particular ribbon appears to be prior to 1918 (based on the hook and eye being zinc).  Any further insight into this medal would be greatly appreciated.

 

Marcus

 

 

 

 

 

[Farkas]

Hi Marcus

 

The only thing I found to add was when expanding the eligibility in 1866 to include foreigners, it was also widened to include French expatriates.

 

”In 1866, the scope of the award was widened to include major contributions to French national education and culture made by anyone, including foreigners. It was also made available to any **French expatriates** making major contributions to the expansion of French culture throughout the rest of the world”

 

The recipients are listed by nationality as you know, perhaps yours was awarded to a French person living in the AH Empire?

I know this won’t help...

unless you have a lot of time to look 🤷‍♂️

 

Cheers

tony

[JohanH]

39 minutes ago, Farkas said:

Hi Marcus

 

The only thing I found to add was when expanding the eligibility in 1866 to include foreigners, it was also widened to include French expatriates.

 

”In 1866, the scope of the award was widened to include major contributions to French national education and culture made by anyone, including foreigners. It was also made available to any **French expatriates** making major contributions to the expansion of French culture throughout the rest of the world”

 

The recipients are listed by nationality as you know, perhaps yours was awarded to a French person living in the AH Empire?

I know this won’t help...

unless you have a lot of time to look 🤷‍♂️

 

Cheers

tony

Hello Tony!

 

Does this "The recipients are listed by nationality as you know" mean that there is a list of all recipients of the academic palm?

 

Where is this list located?

 

 

//Johan

[Christian1962]

I don´t know were you are living. But I would try to contact the french embassy in your country. Most of them have a divison for "cultural affairs" which could be very helpful for your research.

 

Regards

 

Christian

[Farkas]

Hi Johan,

yes there’s a list of recipients on Wikipedia but its not complete.

it lists them by nationality but i couldn’t find anything from Austria, Hungary or even the right period.

As Christian says the French would have the full list, seems its a big deal to them too.

 

cheers

tony

 

 

 

And a list of foreign recipients here too.

👍

 

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Foreign_recipients_of_the_Ordre_des_Palmes_Académiques

[JohanH]

Thank you Tony for your reply!

 

I was hoping there was a complete list published somewhere. I am interested in awards to Swedes but there were none on the link. But I know it was a pretty common award and have some names of recipients on my own lists. 

[1812 Overture]

I have seen the academic medal of Belgium Palm.. Does this person look Belgian, too? PS Why do their eyes look in different directions...

[Graf]

On 11/12/2022 at 21:56, 1812 Overture said:

I have seen the academic medal of Belgium Palm.. Does this person look Belgian, too? PS Why do their eyes look in different directions...

It is very interesting picture of an Austrian Officer It is very difficult  to determine whether he is wearing the Palm of the Belgium Order of the Crown The ribbon is Austrian type mounted. though the white line may suggest Belgium Awards it also could be an Austrian ribbon worn with foreign Award.

Why they look in different directions They pose differently to the photo shot.

[Marcus66]

Hello all, I have been researching the provenance of this particular piece (see my first post in this thread) for quite some time now, and have finally determined what the mark on the ring indicates. This mark is the “Auslansverkehr” (foreign transport) mark which were stamped on all pieces imported into Austria from approx 1872-1922.  This particular mark was used from 1902-1922 and has the “small town” code letter “A” which indicates that it was imported into Vienna in this time frame.  This time frame fits with the manufacture period of this piece and the ribbon.  Again, from research, the only Austrian that I could find in any literature that received this award in this time period would be Karl Ritter von Stremayr (1823-1904).

 

I still have further research to conduct regarding this piece, and have not been able to precisely conclude that this particular piece was awarded to this individual but am hopeful.  Regardless of the original recipient, the research has been fascinating and quite educational thus far. 

 

Cheers,

 

M.

 

[No one]

Dear Marcus66,

 

It's only in 1955 that the "Palmes Académiques" became an order.

 

Prior to 1955 it was called "Palmes Universitaires and/ or Palmes Académiques".

 

For more:

 

 

In the picture, it's the "Belgium Order of the Crown - Silver Palms".

 

source wikipedia:

 

 

Ribbon bars
Grand Cross	Grand Officer	Commander	Officer	Knight
Golden Palms	Silver Palms	Gold Medal	Silver Medal	Bronze Medal

 

Yours sincerely,

No one

 

Edited April 26 by No one

[Marcus66]

Hello No one,

 

Thank you for the clarification regarding the naming of this decoration.

 

Regards.

 

M.

Edited April 26 by Marcus66

[No one]

Dear Marcus66,

 

You are welcome. By the way, your decoration is very beautiful.

 

Yours sincerely,

No one