Stogieman Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 Crude copy of a Juncker Pilot Badge offered at $1200. Looks chemically aged but check the obverse details and the pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 This was actually offered as a “Jeweler’s Copy, age unknown” and it still brought over $600 in bids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 Another Jeweler’s Copy, same seller, pin and laurel leaves look inconsistent with known original pieces. Final bid was $340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 This “Jeweler’s Copy” brought $394 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 And another, $596 this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 And this one, Phillips Commander with swords, $494 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 Final one, Phillips Breast Star, $355 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I watched those auctions, at least the items were described as copies. They were actually pretty good, but still stupid prices to pay for fakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Hi Gents, i was wondering what you think the reason is for the desire to buys these, let alone the price. Is it a lack of genuine articles for sale so ‘something’ better than nothing? or someone like me who wouldn’t know the item is dodgey and thinks the price is good? One seller I watched in the past always used the same ‘sock’ accounts to boost the bidding, often cancelling their highest bid if they pushed it up too far. It only took one sucker to fall for the fake to allow them to push the price up. Of course EBay didn’t care to stop it. cheers tony🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd_W Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Farkas said: who wouldn’t know the item is dodgey and thinks the price is good? If something is described as copies (like the last examples in the topic), its hard not to know. For most fakes, sold as real or the obvious "I dont know if its real" description, it might be the ignorance. 4 hours ago, Farkas said: One seller I watched in the past always used the same ‘sock’ accounts to boost the bidding, often cancelling their highest bid if they pushed it up too far. Common strategy back then, ten years ago. But these days most bidders use sniper tool and bid in the last second so no one can outbid them. This sticks at least to the more searched after genuin stuff, from what I observed in the last years. Guess it also sticks to the fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 48 minutes ago, Bernd_W said: If something is described as copies (like the last examples in the topic), its hard not to know. For most fakes, sold as real or the obvious "I dont know if its real" description, it might be the ignorance. Common strategy back then, ten years ago. But these days most bidders use sniper tool and bid in the last second so no one can outbid them. This sticks at least to the more searched after genuin stuff, from what I observed in the last years. Guess it also sticks to the fakes. Yes, hard to miss copy in the description. A legit old tailors copy of a VC makes sense, it’s that or nothing but i guess not these above. Mainly my thing is Austro Hungarian, I don’t know enough to buy pricier awards. So I’ve lots of AH awards but 95% are basic ones, like my KTK’s 👇 My only medal worth over £200 was a private deal and I asked learned Gents to check it out first. I can often see that an item is bad but I still cannot confidently say an item is good, tony 🍻 Sorry to babble on but last thing.., 2 hours ago, Bernd_W said: most bidders use sniper tool If bid is 40 and I’m bidding 100, I put lots of extra bids in, eg 50,62,70, 81 92 then 100… I don’t know if it really works but I heard it triggers the sniper bids so why not 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd_W Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Farkas said: If bid is 40 and I’m bidding 100, I put lots of extra bids in, eg 50,62,70, 81 92 then 100… I don’t know if it really works but I heard it triggers the sniper bids so why not IMO this dos not work, eBay uses you last bid. If bid is 40 and you bid 100 or a couple bids up till 100, the bid will be 41 and in the last second someone might come and get it for 101. Sniper tools are used for preventing the ping-pong you play at real hall auctions. If you get outbid and still have time (and money) you might bid again in the name of honor, even if you dont wanted to go that high. It can also be a matter of, in how much cases before you got outbid. All this kind of human behavior is prevented when the sniper tool bids in the last second. This kind of human behavior is quiet common imo, therefore hall auctions have no fixed end time. Edited March 20 by Bernd_W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 34 minutes ago, Bernd_W said: IMO this dos not work, eBay uses you last bid. If bid is 40 and you bid 100 or a couple bids up till 100, the bid will be 41 and in the last second someone might come and get it for 101. Sniper tools are used for preventing the ping-pong you play at real hall auctions. If you get outbid and still have time (and money) you might bid again in the name of honor, even if you dont wanted to go that high. It can also be a matter of, in how much cases before you got outbid. All this kind of human behavior is prevented when the sniper tool bids in the last second. This kind of human behavior is quiet common imo, therefore hall auctions have no fixed end time. I thought the sniper tool was a cheat 🫤 You are surely right, if it’s legit then I’m sure my defence tactic makes no difference, after all EBay wants the maximum price 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 I usually pop my last bid in with less than 10 seconds left, otherwise I just go the max I’m comfortable with for the item 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd_W Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Yes, its possible to bid in the last 10 seconds w/o a sniper tool but you have to be present. But in last <5 second its almost impossible w/o a sniper tool. Sniper tools were forbidden for a long time by eBay, but they didnt care. Checked German eBay TOS and it seem its not mentioned anymore. Sure, eBay wants the maximum price, but IMO sniper tools are preventing this in some cases. But for German eBay non commercial sales are w/o a fee now, so eBay dont have a benefit form the maximum price, and a lot of commercial sold stuff is sold via instant buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giannis S. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 According to this page, it is allowed: https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/bidding/bid-sniping?id=4224 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 08/03/2024 at 11:50, VtwinVince said: I reiterate my opinion on this thing: fantasy piece. When you see the sellers I tend to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Another fake 1813 EK1, usual suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 And another fake 1870 EK1, currently at $455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Fake TWM in a case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 Fake “Juncker” PLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 This one always drives me crazy, an original one is even rarer than an air gunner badge. Baldes shows an example in his book. This is at least the third, if not the fourth one this person has sold. Case is a fake Juncker case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Final bids: Fake 1870 EK1: $533 Fake Pilot Badge: $273 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 That fake 1813 EK1 is up to $1025!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I can't believe real people are behind these outlandish bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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