Gordon Williamson Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Any idea what this one might be. At first glance I had taken it to be a WILM, but its not that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave B Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I would have said WILM as well Gordon! Can you post an obv/rev pic of the whole cross?CheersDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Here you go. Core details are totally different to another very clearly marked WILM I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Here is another. Looks like CD on its own without the 800, and the core details are very very close if not identical to a CD 800 piece I have. Any thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 This one looks like a badly struck SW, but again the core is different to a clearly marked S W I have. Did SW have more than one core ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Final mystery piece. Dave will remember selling me a nice EK2 marked WP on the small ring retaining eye. This one has a similar mark (out of focus pic to show its position, its not good enough to ID the mark) but looks to be WS. Again a totally different core and frame. Any ideas ? The clearly WP marked eye is on the cross at left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 first one MIGHT be MWH.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave B Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Since I have been collecting quite a few 1914 EKII's I have just started to study them closely but am no nearer to understanding them.While a few makers are pretty consistent with their cores and frames,a lot use other manufacturers parts and stamp them with their own mark even large manufacturers like K.A.G and KO....why?...I haven't a clue!If KO and K.A.G. can have more than one core,I don't see why not SW can't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekhunter Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Since I have been collecting quite a few 1914 EKII's I have just started to study them closely but am no nearer to understanding them.While a few makers are pretty consistent with their cores and frames,a lot use other manufacturers parts and stamp them with their own mark even large manufacturers like K.A.G and KO....why?...I haven't a clue!If KO and K.A.G. can have more than one core,I don't see why not SW can't either.Good point Dave! I concur. The wartime crosses were manufactured for at least a 5 year period, and as we all know, things change. I think several manufacturers changed their cores over the years for one reason or another. AWS, for one, used different cores over the years. Why, I don't think anybody really knows the exact answer to that one. One can look at a WWII cross and usually at a glance, say it was this manufacturer, or that one. The Imperial Crosses are just a little harder. These variances, however so slight sometimes, is why the Imperial crosses are so unique, and in my honest opinion, are much more fun to collect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 This one looks like a badly struck SW, but again the core is different to a clearly marked S W I have. Did SW have more than one core ?There were at least 2 cores. One with a 9 pearl band on the crown and a straight backed 9 (early?).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 and one with a 5 diamond band and curved 9 The diamonds vary from glazier's point sharpness to more bratwurst shape, most likely due to die wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'm not sure if this is an un-hyphenated SW or something completely different. (I know it's not a man with a tape recorder in his nose ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekhunter Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Tom, great photos for comparison. Some of these differences in the cores are quite a bit when you really look at them and think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 (edited) Gordon, your "CD" looks like an "ED" to me. Only the top half of the mark is visible. On the piece marked on the small ring, could it be "We"? They are usually marked there.Dan Murphy Edited June 22, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biro Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 GordonJust to complicate things.. I have found WILM marked crosses with two different cores - the one I know you own (which isn't shown in this thread) and this type below. I don't beleive the one you posted first is a WILM either ... from the core, or the partial maker mark.Interestingly, the WILM I own has a matching core to the one on the right of your post #6, and yet another variation of the mark on the small eyelet!!No help I know ... but fun!Marshall[attachmentid=44385] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 And it gets worse. 4 WILMs, 2 different obverse, 3 different reverse. Not counting the spacing top and bottom. Type 1. Note the crowns and acorns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Type 2, again, crowns and acorns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 And the "mule". Type 1 crown and acorns on the reverse, type ? crown on the obverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 (edited) Biro, I studied my Wilm under a Loupe..and the smaller ring has a clearly marked '2'...and the core is different again...the crown has the tops curving towards the middle at the ame level as the sides of the crown..not like some of theothers which raise up slightly...Sorry cannot post pics as i do not have a camera that can do this sort of close up...Now i am gonna study all my EK's under the loupe now... Back! with my discoveries!!Heres what i found from the EK's i could get at...the others are too tightly sewn to the bars!One Marked 'MK' has and 'x' on the eyeletone marked 'Z' has an 'O' on the eyelet..Found another WILM..same as my other cross with same core details except that its got more paint on it..but no mark on the eyelet..And found a 'we' marked eyelet on a cross too!There you go...more ammunition of the databases!CheersPaul Edited June 22, 2006 by notned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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