What did this guy do for a living?

[Carol I]

What did this guy do for a living? He had quite a collection of awards.

The photo had been for sale on eBay.

[Claudius]

From the looks of him I'd say he sat on a thone.

Yikes- no wonder these guys had a gentleman's gentleman to get dressed!

[jj08]

What did this guy do for a living? He had quite a collection of awards.

The photo had been for sale on eBay.

High Court Official to the Bavanian king.

[Carol I]

High Court Official to the Bavanian king.

Thanks!

[Alex K]

Hi Carol, hope you don't mind but the guy was obviously well respected with all that "bling" perhaps we should start a competition to see who can identify all the awards the guy received?

regards

Alex K

[Carol I]

Hi Carol, hope you don't mind but the guy was obviously well respected with all that "bling" perhaps we should start a competition to see who can identify all the awards the guy received?

Of course I do not mind. I did not buy the photo as it was terribly expensive (well over 300 euros if I remember well).

Anyhow, here it goes with the identification:

Mid-line of the chest:

1. Order of Civic Merit (Bulgaria)?

2.

3.

4. Order of the Crown (Italy)?

5.

6.

7.

[Carol I]

Upper row

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8. Order of the Z?hringen Lion (Baden)

9. Order of Albert the Bear (Anhalt)

10.

[Carol I]

Lower row

1. Order of Albert (Saxony)?

2.

3. Order of Franz Joseph (Austria)

4.

5.

6. Order of the Crown (Italy)?

7. Order of the Star of Romania ?

8. Order of Civic Merit (Bulgaria)

9. Order of the Takovo Cross (Serbia)

Bottom singles

1. Order of the Iron Crown (Austria)

2.

[Carol I]

Lower row

1. Order of Albert (Saxony)?

2.

3. Order of Franz Joseph (Austria)

4.

5.

6. Order of the Crown (Italy)?

7. Order of the Star of Romania ?

8. Order of Civic Merit (Bulgaria)

9. Order of the Takovo Cross (Serbia)

There might be a third order before the Order of Franz Joseph. Opinions?

[Carol I]

An update for the mid-line of the chest:

1. Order of Civil Merit (Bulgaria)?

2.

3.

4. Order of the Danilo (Montenegro)

5. House Order of the Honour Cross (Lippe-Detmold)?

6.

7. Order of the Legion of Honour (France)?

[922F]

First type Bulgar Civil Merit officer & 2nd type commander

[Eric Stahlhut]

Lower row

1. Order of Albert (Saxony)?

2.

3. Order of Franz Joseph (Austria)

4.

5.

6. Order of the Crown (Italy)?

7. Order of the Star of Romania ?

8. Order of Civic Merit (Bulgaria)

9. Order of the Takovo Cross (Serbia)

Bottom singles

1. Order of the Iron Crown (Austria)

2.

lower row

2. saxe-ernestine house order

4. hesse-darmstadt philip the brave order

p.s. i guess he wasn't a doorman at the vier jahreszeiten, huh?

Edited September 24, 2008 by Eric Stahlhut

[Eric Stahlhut]

missing bottom single: prinz-regent luitpold medaille (prolly in silber)

[Alex K]

p.s. i guess he wasn't a doorman at the vier jahreszeiten, huh?

Maybe at the Waldorf Astoria though

Excellent work. On a serious note, given the fact that the guy had so many ODM's and was a high official at the Court of the King of Bavaria, any chance he could be eventually identified, so that in the end he has a name and not just a faded postcard? just a thought

Regards

Alex

[Eric Stahlhut]

An update for the mid-line of the chest:

1. Order of Civil Merit (Bulgaria)?

2.

3.

4. Order of the Danilo (Montenegro)

5. House Order of the Honour Cross (Lippe-Detmold)?

6.

7. Order of the Legion of Honour (France)?

6. mecklenberg-schwerin order of the griffin

[Alex K]

does this help or hinder?

Edited September 24, 2008 by Alex K

[Stogieman]

That's a familiar face.... I think I had an image of this fellow too. Off to the archives....

[Eric Stahlhut]

yeah, i know! didn't your twin post a diiferent pic of this guy at some point? i thought he woulda piped up by now, but he's busily engrossed in deciphering scribble-scrabble i guess...

[Guest Rick Research]

No, you're remembering Arthur Achleitner, author of "mountain novels." (I kiddeth NOT.)

Herr A's awards are predominantly of the Arts & Sciences variety, while his Doppelg?nger has an amazing array of "normal" awards on his Court outfit.

I dipped into the LDH2 roll looking for Bavarian holders and came up with a few who did not instantly match. (Thanks for the improved contrast and enlargements, though image quality itself is still unfortunately washed out enough not to be sure of too many of the heaped on rows of bling.)

I suspect he will show up in the back of a 1909+ Bavarian Military Handbook (he appears to have the Bavarian XXIV Years Service Cross in 7th place on his top row after the Red Eagle 4 so he was a former career officer, and the loose ADDITIONAL--naughty naughty naughty 1839-1909 or 1821-1911 Luitpold Jubilee Mdal down by the Iron Crown suggests a regimental sort of affiliation...) among the retired ex-officer types but haven't looked for two reasons

1) I actually AM quite busy-- typing out THOUSANDS of Mecklenburg-Strelitz Cross for Distinction in War 1914-1933 awards from the not-supposed-to-exist Rolls. Passed 5,500 2nd Classes today and more thousands than I want to think about still ahead before Magic Alphabetization and then the same amount of time spent adding data to be publisheed in the next wave of Krause-Lundstr?m volumes and

2) while I would be THRILLED to identify this for a member of our happy GMIC community, since we don't know where it is or who owns it, my policy has always been not to labour LONG AND HARD to provide free information (adding monetary value) to total strangers.

In my 7 years online I have been much taken advantage of in that regard. Hours out of MY remaining life to put money in somebody else's pocket-- especially Persons Completely Unknown is not going to happen.

Those of you who are active here know how enthusiastically I always help YOU out, if I can. But I draw the line at "us."

Time + effort x no pay = SLAVERY.

So my attention span IS wandering. I pass through here as often as I can-- and when I can stand hunched over TYPING no more, no not even one more line, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Wild Card]

Here are some guesses. The positions are as close as I can put them

1st row #1, Bavarian Leopold Cross

1st row #3, Prussian 1870-1 medal with about 5 bars

1st row #5 Prussian Centenary medal

1st row #6 Prussian RAO 4th class

2nd row between SAO and Austrian Franz Josef Order is a Saxon Ernestine knight

2nd row after the Austrian Franz Josef Order could be a W?rttemberg Friedrich order knight

Bottom row left, Austrian Order of Iron Crown

Edited September 25, 2008 by Wild Card

[Eric Stahlhut]

first order on upper row could also be a bavarian order of holy michael, right?

p.s. oh yeah, the bavarian karl may! btw, that was an amusing thread, rick! :cat:

Edited September 25, 2008 by Eric Stahlhut

[Guest Rick Research]

Might be, might be. If you SQUINT, the blurred angles could be Mike trampling Beelzebub-- the three "bumps" on the lower arm there.....

The image is just too washed out with too many variables for me. I actually CHECKED the aD officers in 1909 and he wasn't in those sections, active or reserve.

Sharper image... a DATE....

had to have been alive in 1909....

[Eric Stahlhut]

had to have been alive in 1909....

well the prinzregent luitpold jobbie was from 1911, so yeah

[Wild Card]

Here are some guesses. The positions are as close as I can put them

1st row #1, Bavarian Leopold Cross

1st row #3, Prussian 1870-1 medal with about 5 bars

1st row #5 Prussian Centenary medal

1st row #6 Prussian RAO 4th class

2nd row between SAO and Austrian Franz Josef Order is a Saxon Ernestine knight

2nd row after the Austrian Franz Josef Order could be a W?rttemberg Friedrich order knight

Bottom row left, Austrian Order of Iron Crown

Please change 1st row #1, Bavarian Leopold Cross to Bavarian Luitpold Cross, which is also from 1911.

It certainly would seem that a Bavarian of such prominence would have a St. Michael, unless he was not eligible.

[Carol I]

Thank you all. Let's sum up the lists of the awards.

An update for the mid-line of the chest:

1. Order of Civil Merit (Bulgaria) - commander

2.

3.

4. Order of the Danilo (Montenegro) - commander

5. House Order of the Honour Cross (Lippe-Detmold)

6. Order of the Griffon (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

7. Order of the Legion of Honour (France) - commander

Upper row

1. Luitpold Cross (Bavaria) or Royal Merit Order of St Michael (Bavaria)?

2.

3. War Medal 1870-71 (Prussia) - with about 5 bars

4.

5. Centenary Medal (Prussia)

6. Order of the Red Eagle (Prussia) - Would the Prussian order be placed after the Prussian medals?

7.

8. Order of the Z?hringen Lion (Baden)

9. Order of Albert the Bear (Anhalt)

10.

Lower row

1. Order of Albert (Saxony)

2. House Order of Saxe-Ernestine - knight

2b. Is there an order here?

3. Order of Franz Joseph (Austria)

4. Order of Philip the Brave (Hesse-Darmstadt)

4b. Is there an order here?

5. Order of the Crown (Italy) or Order of Friedrich (W?rttemberg) - knight?

6. Order of the Star of Romania - officer?

7. Order of Civil Merit (Bulgaria) - officer

8. Order of the Takovo Cross (Serbia)

Bottom singles

1. Order of the Iron Crown (Austria)

2. Medal of Prince Regent Luitpold (Bavaria)