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  1. Order of Merits for the People III was instituted on June 12, 1945 and its name was changed three times: -1945-1961 Order of Merit for the People 3rd Class (Орден заслуге за народ III реда) -1961-1973 Order of Merit for the People with Silver Star (Орден заслуге за народ са сребрном звездом) -1973-1992 Order of Merits for the People with Silver Star (Орден заслуга за народ са сребрном звездом) In the beginning it was being awarded "for merits in the struggle against enemies of the people and for strengthening and organizing people's government and the Yugoslav Army." -Law of 1955 added new criteria: "...and for merits in the fields of economic, cultural and social development of the country." -Law of 1973 replaced the words: "for strengthening and organizing people's government and the Yugoslav Army" with the following: "for merits in development of socialism and socialist self-management and for organizing and strengthening total people's defense, security and independence of the country." So this order was practically being awarded for merits in all fields. According to Stojan Rudež since July 1945 when it was awarded for the first time until December 31 1985 it was awarded 282.864 times making it by far the most awarded Yugoslav order. Next one is Order of Labor with Silver Wreath awarded 182.910 until 1986, so 100.000 times less. The number from Mr. Rudež's book can't be taken as total because Order of Merits for the People with Silver Star was also being awarded in huge quantities after 1985. There are basically two types: -Type 1 (1945-1973) golden star and silver combatant -Type 2 (1973-1992) silver star and golden combatant I presume this change was made because of the previous name change (1961) when III became "with silver star". So order named "with silver star" which in reality had golden star existed over a decade. No matter how you put it the name is problematic: -Order of the Merits for the People with Golden Star (I) golden star and base, silver combatant and rays -Order of Merits for the People with Silver Rays (II) golden combatant and base, silver star and rays -Order of Merits for the People with Silver Star (III) Type 1 (1945): golden star, silver combatant, rays and base -Order of Merits for the People with Silver Star (III) Type 2 (1973): golden combatant, silver star, rays and base So from 1973 onward both II and III had silver stars while before that I and III had golden stars. Order of Merits for the People with Silver Rays received even more inadequate name because all three classes including both types of III have silver rays.
  2. Greetings, Does anyone recognize this navy cap badge, presumably European? A fellow collector received it recently and we can't find any information about it. I wasn't sure in which category to put it but since the most monarchies are located in the northern part of the Old Continent this seemed like the best option. All comments are more than welcome.
  3. In order to avoid opening new topic every time I spot some fake I will post them all here. Here's the latest one from ebay - Order of Merits for the People 1st class. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yugoslavia-Order-of-the-National-Merit-with-Golden-Star-I-class-0323-/201199007621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed8653785 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2014/post-7937-0-06971400-1414248637.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2014/post-7937-0-15809900-1414248677.jpg
  4. I visited National Military History Museum in Sofia around 5 years ago and I was quite surprised with the number of exhibited Serbian decorations, especially Takovo. There are probably more of them on display in Sofia than in Belgrade. General Dragutin Franasović (Драгутин Франасовић), photo from the 1890s. We can see Bulgarian Order for Bravery 4th Class 2nd grade on his medal bar. I presume he was decorated for the actions during 1876-78 Wars even though the order was established in 1880.
  5. Doesn't matter, still an interesting find
  6. Bayern, thank you for your prompt reply. So we can definitely exclude Denmark, what about Netherlands and Belgium? I forgot to mention its size - 5,5x5,5 cm.
  7. Unfortunately I can't find any information about it. I don't remember seeing them in wear nor stumbling upon them in literature. As far as I know Serbian regulations don't mention "embroidered decorations", I don't know about Montenegro. If you discover anything, please let us know.
  8. Very nice, thanks for sharing. Interesting to see Takovo III around his neck
  9. Thanks for sharing! Is the wreath of the 2nd or the 3rd class hallmarked? I don't remember seeing 2nd classes like that before but of course that doesn't mean they don't exist.
  10. Good luck with your search, hopefully you'll find a nice piece for a fair price. So far I collected six type&variants, I just have to find a two or three more and then I'll start a separate topic.
  11. Apart from Montenegrin Danilo I think I saw similar "cloth variants" of the Serbian White Eagle and even some Republika Srpska decorations. Someone posted photos of the Karađorđe Star as well, I can't remember where.
  12. In Serbia you either write, for example, "1." or "I", it's not correct to put the dot after Roman numeral. But the rules change over time, we can see those dots even on some royal era decorations' boxes, like BalkanCollector wrote, perhaps that was correct back then.
  13. One more very interesting Obrenović era medal bar with Montenegrin decorations. 1) Miloš IV 2) Takovo with Swords IV 3) Legion of Honor V (France) 4) Franz Joseph V (Austria-Hungary) 5) St. Alexander V (Bulgaria) 6) Golden Bravery Medal 7) Silver Bravery Medal (Montenegro) 8) St. Andrew's Assembly Medal 9) Military Virtues Medal 10) Medal for Zealous Service in War 11) Royal Guards Commemorative Medal 12) Commemorative Medal of the 1876-78 Wars 13) Commemorative Medal of the 1875-78 War (Montenegro) 14) Commemorative Medal of the 1885 War
  14. Congrats on your newest addition to the collection. Generally speaking there are 3 types: Type 1 in the form of medal Type 2 five torches Type 3 six torches
  15. Most interesting, thanks for sharing! I wasn't sure about the uniform because of the collar. It seemed to me like it could be generals' but that would be a strange combination with mundir with two rows of buttons and decorations from the 1880s.
  16. I was in the middle of writing my previous reply when you posted this. I'm not sure about the ribbon, Silver Bravery Medal was just a guess. Amazing medal bar! Many thanks for posting it! Do you know who's on the photo and when it was made? The uniform is a bit of a puzzle to me, it that a general? I'm not sure based on the photo, but it would be very interesting if those are truly two Golden Bravery Medals, I never saw a double recipient before! Any idea about decorations 5, 6 & 7? Perhaps #6 Serbian Silver Bravery Medal and #7 Montenegrin Silver Bravery Medal.
  17. It's hard to say based on these photos, but I think the medal in question is most probably the same one he wore on the 3rd place of his shorter bar. And the first photo of him posted in this topic was definitely made in 1896.
  18. Thank you, next time I go to the Military Museum I'll make photos of the exterior collections.
  19. Greetings Gentlemen, I am starting this topic with two goals, first to gather in one place and share with others pictures of various military related items, and other to promote our museums. Pictures are from official web sites, I hope that you will find them interesting as much as I did. -National Museum of Serbia -official website http://www.narodnimuzej.rs/ -wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Serbia Order of the Star of Karageorge 1st grade - G.A. Scheid [belonged to Jovan Avakumović http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Avakumovi%C4%87] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-54567500-1361406890.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-16199500-1361407574.jpg Order of Saint Sava 1st grade - G.A. Scheid [belonged to Milenko Vesnić http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milenko_Radomar_Vesni%C4%87] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-51905900-1361408093.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-77376200-1361407895.jpg Order of the White Eagle 1st grade - C.F. Rothe [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-90627900-1361407838.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-21316500-1361408302.jpg Order of the Saints Maurice and Lazarus 1st grade - Cravanzola Successore Fratelli Borani [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] Military order of Christ 1st grade - Frederico B. Da Costa [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] Legion of Honor (1870-1951 type) 1st grade - Arthus Bertrand [belonged to Milenko Vesnić]
  20. You're welcome. If the photo was made between 1895 and 1897 when he was back in the military then it should be St. Andrew's Assembly Medal because it was instituted later. He was awarded with the Miloš on 11. April 1899. The medal in question seems to be round rather than octagonal and its diameter is obviously smaller than the Commemorative Medal of the 1876-78 Wars. Perhaps Silver Bravery Medal?
  21. M1946 infantry blouse (major) and overcoat (captain 1st class)
  22. A few examples of the People's Hero Order, so-called 3rd type