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  1. Hi Dietrich, Per my first message I would clarify for you; Your miniature DCM is scarcer as it has an OBVERSE design (Uncrowned, 'Coinage head GV, that was approved for use on coinage) the design shown on your miniature DCM was NEVER, EVER, officially approved or used on the official full-size DCM medals struck by the Royal Mint. British miniature medals are commercial private purchase items - for that reason variations & un-approved designs / spellings / fantasy clasps etc, will occasionally be found, as struck by the private maker. Your miniature DCM has a scarce, unapproved, and unofficial obverse design...... Your miniature medal variant will be of most interest to those miniature medal collectors who like to collect such variants in design. Good luck. Mark
  2. Jeff I do not know how well inter-library loans may work in Canada, and or, whether the below book is available in some form of 'Download' on the internet, but you should try to obtain a copy of; - Mentioned in Despatches 1948-1968 (Mick Dalzell & Paul Riches, 1999) It is a compilation of all published MID's, extrapolated from the London Gazette. It covers all services, and all forces, Brtish & Commonwealth It's arranged as a nominal roll, by recipients surname in alphabatical order. The last 2 x columns of each entry contain the London Gazette date, and importantly for you, the theatre of award, i.e., Malaya, Near East, etc. Downside is that the book is strictly a nominal roll with recipients respective service details and award theatre - it has no abstract analysis by campaign theatre, year, service, nationality etc, so you would have to individually check each entry on each of the 139 x pages to find / eliminate likely candidates.......... Collector and resarcher A M Palmer had authored 'Above and Beyond: Being a Record of Awards to Her Majesty's Forces for Gallant and Distinguished Services During Military and Peacekeeping Operations Since 1945. Vol 1' (published in 1999). This work is more comprehensive and well arranged, including all types of awards, however the first volume only includes most (but not all) post 1969 campaigns, and as far as I am aware Volume 2, which was to include the pre 1969 campaigns was never published....... An issue of Haywards Medal Gazette, did contain an article with roll (inc casualties) for the Near East operations, but I can't be more specific than that, as I gave away my run of Haywards Gazette's wehn I last moved house several years back...... As information. Mark
  3. For those in the United Kingdom who might be considering obtaining a medal cabinet, I can readily recommend cabinet maker Stephen Phillips, of Chadwick End Cabinets; - http://www.chadwickendcabinets.co.uk/geological_cabinets.htm Some years back I purchased a bespoke 37 x tray sapele mahogany medal cabinet, and have never looked back. As information. Mark
  4. Dietrich, I'm glad that your DCM is indeed a DCM, with correct inscription on reverse of the medal. However, you should be wary of the ambitious value shown in Medal Year Book against miniature GV DCM's. It would be a very happy vendor who could receive the values therein shown..... The type II variant they refer to is NOT what you have (yours is actually much scarcer - do not however assume the value doubles...), the type II in the MYB refers to the standard second type GV DCM obverse which was a 'Crowned head' medal Mark
  5. Owain, I had a look at the Great War Medal rolls, and the Staff Nurse 'M'. Evans (A.R.R.C. 1916), mentioned above is confirmed as serving with the Territorial Force Nursing Service, and being entitled to and receiving a Great War cam 'Pair' of British War Medal & Interallied Victory Medal, which were issued/sent to her on 15 July 1922 (ref WO 329/2298). Note: I also did an 'exact' search for any Medal Index Card for M Evans - of the over 200 returned, none were to the TFNS! Good luck. Mark
  6. Owain, Salaam alaikum! I looked up Haywards (nd) 'Army Honours & Awards' (a reprint of the Supplement to the Army List , April 1920), that contains numerous list of serving / living award holders, including RRC / ARRC recipients, and found below under the nominal roll of ARRC recipients; - Evans, Miss M (Staff Nurse, Q.A.I.M.N.S.R.) The War of 1914-19, 3 June 1916 The date refers to the LG publication issue date Note: There are only 3 x Evans with forename beginning with letter M, the above is the only one shown as forename initial only - the other M's were a Madge & a Mella! As of writing, I do not know if the above Miss 'M' Evans is your one or not, but if not, then I suggest that your May Evans may have received her ARRC for service post 1920? Good luck with the research. Yours aye, Mark
  7. Dietrich, Whether or not the 3 x medals in the illustration were ever worn by a single recipient, and or you can not positively identify the recipient, you still have an interesting lot there..... If indeed the DCM medal has 'For Distinguished Conduct in the Field' on the reverse of it, then at a minimum you have a very scarce strike / issue type of miniature DCM - I say this as the DCM was never officially struck or awarded with a coinage head of King George V As miniature medals were commercially struck and retailed items, variations in them abound. It wont be unique, but it is more valueable than the standard issue/strike, and hence will be of interest to miniature medal collectors who like to collect all types of variants...... Mark
  8. Hi Glen, I suspect that as of writing, you will have already gathered answers to your questions pertaining to the South African Veteran Regiment, if not, then below comments may be of some interest / usefulness. To be sure, I know very little about this unit, and know of even less on-line resources that will fill-in all the answers you seek. I have however, never seen a 1914-15 Star or Victory Medal named to this unit - only SA issue BWM's in silver, which indicate to me that the unit never served overseas from Africa, and if it ever did leave the borders of South Africa, it was not during any of the South African qualifying dates set for the campaign in GSWA or East Africa, and thus most likely never served under fire in any combat capacity during it's history.The above, may be borne out by the summary of Great War medals awarded to SA units that Chris put together in an earlier post, see below link; in which I can see no record of the SAVR under any of the lists for either 1914-15 Stars, or BWM/Victory medal pairs. http://gmic.co.uk/topic/45805-ww1-south-african-medals/ In South Africa lots of single BWM's were issued for strictly home-service, with quite a number named up to small depot/staff commands and units. The only mentions I can find to the unit are that they were deployed in 1915, to guard the POW Camp(s) set up to inter enemy troops captured in 1914-15. I suspect, the 'Veterans' were just generic former servicemen of a certain age, who had served in the Imperial Forces, or had prior service in any of the Permanent Force or Active Citizen Force units that combined formed the Union Defdence Force. Coincidentally, the British Army raised several Royal Garrison Regiments in 1901, that were formed from re-enlisited former time expired British Army / Royal Marines veterans - the age of these Veterans was considerably - very considerably - older, than that for the regualr line regiments of the British Army. The sole purpose of these units was to be deployed in non-combat areas, in home garrisons, and take over the duties of regualr line infantry regiments which latter could be deployed on active service (South African War). In the event the short-lived Royal Garrison Regiments, were shipped to numeorus overseas garrisons in 'The Med; - and POST WAR extensively in South Africa. Of the cuff, I think the last of the Royal Garrison Regiment battalions was wound-down circa 1906-1910. Basis the recent existence / experience of the Royal Garrison Regiment battalions in South Africa post 1902, I suspect the newly created Union Defence Force (1913) conjured up their own SAVR unit(s) along similar lines during the Great War. Good luck with the collecting. Mark
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    Help with a old photograph

    Paul, As others have pointed out the recipient is a Sikh, wearing rank insignia of Major, and the badge of the Regiment of Artillery. Critically, the portrait photograph / sitting was made prior to April 1971. The Armed Forces 20 years and 7 Years Long Service Medals were only instituted on 19 April 1971. Per the published Orders of Precedence, those long service medals - worn in that order - followed (and did not preceed) the Independence Medal 1947, which the recipient wears at the very end of his second row of ribbons. positive identification of the recipients complete 10 x medal ribbon grouping is; - India: General Service Medal 1947. Only awarded with a campaign clasp (5 x clasps issued by 1970) - India: Samar Seva Star (for service in the combat zone(s) during 1965 War) - India: Raksha Medal (for 1965 War) - India: Sainya Seva Medal. Only awarded with a geographic region clasp (5 x clasps issued by 1970) - India: Videsh Seva Medal (Overseas Service). Only issued with a clasp (many clasps issued by 1970) - India: Independence Medal - United Kingdom: The 1939-45 Star - United Kingdom: The Burma Star - United Kingdom: War Medal - United Kingdom: India Service Medal Notes. 1. It is not possible from the photograph to determine with any certainty what the clasp(s) the recipient may have been entitled to. What is certain s that of the 5 x clasps awarded with the medal upto and including 1971, he would NOT have been entitled to the clasp for 'Overseas Korea', as the Indian Contingent deployed to Korea was a specialist Medical unit, and did not include personnel seconded from the Regiment of Artillery. The most common awarded clasp of the pre 1971 clasps to the GSM 1947 is 'Naga Hills', followed by 'Jammu & Kashmir 1947-1948' 2. Like above, it is not possible from the photograph to determine with any certainty what the clasp(s) the recipient may have been entitled to for the Videsh Seva Medal. What is certain is that of the clasps awarded with the medal upto and including 1971, he would NOT have been entitled to any of the Congo, United Arab Republic or Indochina clasps, as qualification of those clasps also entitled the recipient to wear the respective United Nations/ International Control Commission medal ribands - none of which the recipient wears in the photograph The most common clasps awarded with the Videsh Seva Medal prior to 1971, and which did not come with 'second medals', and or, are not clasps reserved for specialist attache / observer / secondment duties, are those for service in 'Bhutan' or 'Nepal' - Bhutan service being the most common 3. If the recipient was still serving through to December 1971, he would 'after' the photograph here was taken, have been entitled to at least another 3 x medals / ribands viz, Samanya Seva Medal (for 1971 War); 20 Years Long Service; 9 Years Long Service - and possibly one or both of the Poorvi & Paschmi Stars for the 1971 War as specified As information. Mark
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    BWM help

    Noor, I have no information on the recipient of this medal. I can however confirm that the naming style on the medal is typically 'South African' issue. As information. Mark
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    Naming on Trio

    Chris, It is unusual but not uncommon to find different named units on the Great War medals awarded to South African recipients. South Africa did not follow the same naming protocols as were applied to the medals issued to United Kingdom land forces, for example no regimental numbers appear on SA issues, and they did not not name all the three medals (to Trio recipients) identically to the first unit a recipient was serving in when he first entered a theatre of war. With regards to the British War Medal, the unit stamped on that medal tended to be the last one served-in while in a qualifying area (remember the qualifying and cut-off dates for the BWM were different from the Interallied Victory Medal). In the case of those chaps who served with the Citizen Forces / Commandos in GSWA, and subsequently joined up for service overseas from Southern Africa, you will see above differences in unit naming from time to time. In former years I used to collect medals to the Transvaal Scottish, and had a couple of groups like yours. Indeed I have had, and seen rarer instances where all three medals have been named to three different units - with supporting paperwork to confirm...... Downside to above is that folks living outside of South Africa, and not familiar with the nuances of South African Great War medal issues, have in the past either refused medals, and or worse 'weeded-out' otherwise perfectly legitimate and complete medal entitlements, only because of the 'differences' in units..... Keep yours together they are certainly to one and the same man. Mark
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    Naming on GSM

    Pieter, The unit shown on your General Service Medal is the Civil Liaison Corps. A civilian force staffed by locals, Chinese, Malay, Dayaks etc and raised to render support services (in particular translators, trackers, guides, etc) to the military and police forces during the Malaya Emergency. An aggregate of 28 days service earned the recipient the medal and clasp. There should be a period (full-stop) after the first letter letter C, not a comma, however this particular medal and clasp issue was notorious for errors in naming / corrections, so nothing unusual there - indeed fairly typical and I have seen this to the C.L.C. in the past Quite often medals seen named to C.L.C., have descriptions that either claim or suggest that the recipient was a member of 'Ferret Force' - a very short lived specialist 'Counter-Insurgency' unit (of which a few C.L.C. members served 'attached' to as tranlators / guides), however any members of the C.L.C. that served in Ferret Force were in the 'minority'. Medals to members of C.L.C. that served with 'Ferret Force' have the prefix FF preceding the number - if there is no prefix then you can be sure that a recipient was not a member of Ferret Force. As information Mark
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    Egypt Campaign Medal

    Bernhard, Are you aware that the clasps on the medal are all copies? They may be contemporary, but they are certainly not original. The medal has been re-named as the naming on your medal is also not in the convention / format you would expect for a Royal Marines recipient - the abbreviation PL.Dn (for Plymouth Division) was never officially engraved or impressed on Royal Marines medals on the medals issued for the Egypt / Soudan campaigns. As information. Mark
  14. No it still remains unclear how exactly Simon obtained his 1906 Kalahari clasp - albeit I strongly suspect it was awarded to him with the medal at the same time as the other recipients in the same unit received theirs. That he was not entitled to the clasp is not in question - however he was clearly awarded / presented such a clasp as it is written in his service papers in red ink, that he did. He would not have been the first, or the last medal recipient to receive a clasp to which he was not entitled. Mistakes and errors can occur at many levels in the medal issuing process, the end result being recipients occasionally receiving medals and or clasps to which they are not patently not entitled. In the case of Simon, the unedited and uncorrected error has been recorded in posterity in red ink on his papers. As information. Mark
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    IGSM Research

    Do you actually own the medal to the recipient that you have here queried? I ask, as the India General Service Medal 1936 was never issued without a clasp, so if there is no clasp on the medal, it has either been removed (unusual) or the medal was damaged at some time. 1/3 G.R. as a battalion qualified for both of the clasps issued to the IGS 1936, viz 'North West Frontier 1936-37' & 'N.W.F. 1937-39'. Note however that not all individual member sof 1/3 G.R. qualified for the 2 x clasps, as many would only have qualified for one or other of the clasps depending on the specific dates that when they entered/left the qualifying area. The recipient was JOHN ARTHUR GREGORY BUSS, the son of a Clergyman, who was born in Mauritius, Indian Ocean, on 10 October 1912. The family appear to have returned to the United Kingdom in 1916. Whether the recipient served with 1st Battaliion 3rd Gurkha Rifles, throughout the Second World War, I know not, but if he did, he would have qualified for several of the un-named Second World War campaign medal issues, including The 1939-45 Star, The Burma Star & War Medal, and either the India Service Medal or Defence Medal - the latter 'either, or' medals dependent on where, when and for how long he may have served in non-combat areas of British India during the Second World War He married firstly, Margaret Anis Shingleton-Smith (who was 20 years of age) at Nai-Tal, India in 1940. He is also recorded as having married again at Kensington, London, in 1970, when he married Dorothy E. France He is known to have resigned his commission from the Indian Army - at least by November 1946 (at which time he is recorded as being a member of the Indian Political Service). In November 1947, he is recorded as 'Retired' from the Indian Political Service and returned in that month and year to the United Kingdom. As there is no mention/record of a Mrs Buss, accompanying John on his voyages in 1946 or 1947, it is likely that she had either died prior to that time, or that the marriage had otherwise been dissolved by November 1946 At some stage after November 1953, John accepted an appointment in South Africa, as he is recorded in 1953 as being employed as an Accountant in Cape Town. John Arthur Gregory Buss is recorded as having died in England sometime in the third quarter of 1994 As information. Mark
  16. Vanuatu Blue, Well done on your checking the relevant primary sources and in so-doing coming up with the proof that awards of the DSO & MC, were indeed made to several Egyptian/Sudanese Officers for their gallantry and distinguished services at Nyala. Thanks in particular for clearly linking together the entire awards process, from submission of original recommendations decorations, through to approval, despatch of insignia and ultimate presentation of awards in Darfur. A fine piece of original research that adds positively to our knowledge of the early 20th Century military history of the Sudan and the medals awarded for service there. Shabash.......
  17. Herman, Many thanks for your clarification, and confirmation on what campaign medals were generally issued - just the information I was looking for, and certainly clears up the mystery about why some Dutch veterans in post-war years had none, some or partial British campaign medal entitlements in their mounted medal groups. Yours aye, Mark
  18. I am trying to establish what would have been the typical 'standard' medal entitlement(s) and issue of CAMPAIGN / WAR medals to Netherlands service personnel of 320 / 321 (Netherlands) Squadrons Royal Air Force. Specifically I am interested to learn about the medal entitlements of those pre-war regulars who escaped, or were evacuated to the United Kingdom in 1940, and who subsequently joined 320 & 321 Squadrons and served through to Victory in Europe in 1945. I have tried some general searches on the internet hoping to get photographs or images of Netherlands 320 / 321 Squadrons veterans wearing their medal groups, however the pictures I have seen thus far are all inconclusive, either being very poor quality, or appearing not to be complete groups basis the general absence of British campaign medals I suspect - but do not know - that the below following would have been the campaign medals that most personnel would have received; - Netherlands War Commemorative Cross (with clasp(s)?) - UK: 1939-45 Star (Air Crew only) - UK: The Atlantic Star (Air Crew only, clasp 'France & Germany' if eligible) - UK: The France & Germany Star (for aircrew only operational post D-Dy 1944) - UK: Defence Medal - UK: War Medal Is above correct, or wrong? I would be interested to receive any guidance or explanation on above, and or to see any images of medal bars / groups. In advance thanks. Mark
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    POW listings - UK units?

    I only have reference materials on British and Empire POW's and alas have no knowledge about German POW's, and how they may have been recorded. .
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    POW listings - UK units?

    There are published nominal rolls for British and Empire service personnel captured and interred in Europe by Axis Forces and who were still in captivity in 1945 - those who died in captivity, escaped or were repatriated are not shown. I have the books fo British and Empire Army personnel captured and held in Europe, so if you want to post the number, rank, forename initials, surname and regiment of your research subject I will have a look on your behalf. POW Questionnaires - completed by those surviving POW's at liberation in Europe and in Far East are extant and held at The National Archives, as are an incomplete run of Japanese administered POW Index Cards which last are written in a mixture of both Japanese and English The Children of Far East Prisoners of War COFEPOW website has an on-line search engine for British FEPOWS, which will generally confirm if someone was captured and made POW in the Far East.
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    Waterloo Casualties

    Waterloo medals to confirmed casualties who were 'Wounded-in-Action' are commonly available on the market - albeit trying to find examples to a particular unit might be a lengthy time consuming process taking into account; number of casualties incurred; number of extant medals known to already be held in national, regimental, insitutional & private collections - with latter affecting the overall supply on the market On the other hand Waterloo medals to casualties who were 'Killed-in-Action' are excessively rare at any time, for the simple reason that medals to that category of casualty were not generally issued to the next of kin of the fallen. Reference 'British Battles & Medals' (Seventh edition, 2006) for comprehensive tables showing the effective strength and casualties incurred (killed & wounded) for the respective British, Hannover and Brunswick regiments that served under the Duke of Wellington during the Waterloo Campaign.
  22. Owain, You are most welcome. While I knew the unit abbreviations L.S.L. referred to the Local Somali Levies, I too had wondered for some time what the details in brackets on these medals referred to - now we know. You will to forgive me however for not stating my thoughts on what the exact clan and sub-clan of your chap is, but I am sure you will crack that yourself if not done so already. If not already seen have a look at the on-line London Gazette archives, and specifically the issue for 18 September 1902 that contains the despatch of Consul-Geneneral Hayes-Sadler and relates to the Field Operations in Somaliland in 1901, for a good background to the raising and deployment of the 'Somali Levy'. Although this relates to background/operations in 1901 - and your chaps medal reflects to services in 1902 and later, the background - only months aparts - will still be relevant Interestingly the despatch above referred to makes mention that 'Many' of 'Our' locally recruited Somali Levies were already in possession of medals gained while in the prior service of the Italians! Quote, I trust that. Lieutenant-Colonel Swayne's request that a medal and clasp be given to all ranks serving with the expedition may meet with your Lordship's favourable consideration. Many of our Somalis served with the Italians, and show with pride the medals they received for the actions in which they were engaged Unquote. I wonder if your man was one of those who had might have earlier served with the Italians - probably impossible to verify but certainly worthy of consideration basis above quote. Best wishes. Mark
  23. The unit designation on the medal described in the first post of this thread is; - LOCAL SOMALI LEVIES L.S.L. does not refer to any other designation, or meaning. The respective medal roll for the Local Somali Levies is extant and accessible at The National Archives (reference WO 100/105) and is the primary source for confirmation of medal & clasps entitlement and issuance to this unit. Specifically the medal recipient is confirmed as having qualified for, and having received the medal with 2 x clasps. The medal was issued to him on 28 April 1908. The 'Remarks' column of the same roll provide the answer to what the 'bracketed' information on the medal refers to, specifically it refers to the recipients 'Tribe' with one column listing the abbreviated clain names, H.A., H.Y., H.G. etc, and the second colum showing the sub-clan name to which the recipient belonged. Allowing for devitaions and variations with the tranliteration and spelling of the names of clans and sub-clans, the clan affiliations of the majority of the Somali recipients can be positively identified basis what is shown in the medal roll. As information
  24. Correction: The cut-off date for the Mercantile Marine was 11 November 1918
  25. Yes, I have seen a few that have appeared variouslly on the market over the years. The ones I have seen were mostly to British Army recipients who had died on service in India during the Third Afghan War 1919, and associated North West Frontier campaigns 1919-1920, as well as a few for the operations in Iraq. The Memorial Plaque could of course be issued to the Next of Kin in respect of any personnel who had died in any of the post war campaigns through to and including the final cut-off date applicable to H.M. Land Forces of 30 April 1920 (the cut-off date varied for different services, that for the Royal Navy and naval forces was 10 January 1920, and that for the Mercantile Marine was 11 November 1920. There was also provision made for the Memorial Plaque to be issued or claimed by Next of Kin, in respect of those eligible veterans who 'Died' anytime within 7 years of the above given cut-off dates, as long as those deaths were were certified as being directly attributable to effects of wounds, disease, or injuries caused by service in the period of the Great War or immediate Armistice operations. With regards to the Canadian Memorial Crosses, they were - and still can - be awarded to eligible NOK (and not just Female NOK) in respect of any Canadian veteran who can be certified as having 'Died' as a direct consequence of debilitating wounds, disease or injuries that a veteran may have incurred while in service. As such it is not uncommon to find EIIR Crosses issued in respect of 'surviving' Great War veterans who died of long lingering wounds / illnesses incurred during the Great War War, or Second World War, but who actually died sometime post 1952 and whose NOK hence received EIIR Crosses
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