Beau Newman Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 An 1866/1870 NC Iron Cross Group with a nice smooth arms REO4 (Doctor?): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Newman Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Finally, an 1870 combatant/1914 non-combatant group - the Wilhelm cross is the blank reverse type for home front welfare service: Edited June 5, 2009 by Beau Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 wow! Beau, those are GREAT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Post #179--I've just been looking through the material from Eric Ludvigsen's library and found a copy of Louis Schneider's 1872 pamphlet on the 1870/71 War Medal. This gives COMPLETE requirements and... military physicians got the combatant medal on combatant ribbon, by specific mention.That was crazy, since enlisted medical personnel serving under them got the steel medal on noncombatant ribbon for battlefield service. But this weirdness explains groups like Beau's-- noncombatant 1866... noncombatant Iron Cross... and combatant 1870 medal.I suspect some of the weird groups we see from time to time with TWO 1870s are because of the illogical way medical officers were awarded these medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Yes. There are two 'double campaign medals' groups to Drs. out there (for the Franco-Prussian war )-one was in the JOMSA and these are substantiated by documents. In these groups the noncom campaign medal was awarded a year + after the combat one (1872/73). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Here is a very rare photo of a noncom bar on a very old navy man !!!!!!!!!!! I would say rather unusual and very nice combination.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Post #179--I've just been looking through the material from Eric Ludvigsen's library and found a copy of Louis Schneider's 1872 pamphlet on the 1870/71 War Medal. This gives COMPLETE requirements and... military physicians got the combatant medal on combatant ribbon, by specific mention.That was crazy, since enlisted medical personnel serving under them got the steel medal on noncombatant ribbon for battlefield service. I suspect some of the weird groups we see from time to time with TWO 1870s are because of the illogical way medical officers were awarded these medals.Rick,"Double" awards may represent two separate acts, in different categories of the award.What if the Doctor(s) in question did two separate actions that a higher ranking officer felt deserved recognition. Assume at one time he is awarded a non-com EKII for treating a general who cut himself shaving and needed bandaging. Later same Doctor is serving in a capacity where he might be much more might be going on and he treats severely wounded, etc.The Prussian awards system at that time, didn't differentiate between a first or second act that qualified for an EKII, but -someone- might have felt that a "heroic" act by an officer in a non-combatant situation, and another heroic act -in- a combat situation should be differentiated by two separate awards. The "Occam's Razor" principle applied to the awards system did not prevent a double award in the event of two separate acts, one for a non-combatant award with it's special ribbon, and a combatant award with it's war ribbon.Granted, the system could also be illogical. Particularly when officers are involved. The Prussian class system paid far more attention to the wants, needs and vanity of officers than enlisted men. A titled officer serving as a doctor got far more deferential treatment than members of the great unwashed classes who served as "common" stretcher bearers bringing in gun shot and artillery wounded men.Whatever "confusion" seems to be present, is the regulations governing the award(s) and how the officers entitled to make the awards understood those regulations, classified the act, and their interpretation of the regs.Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 The regulations are quite clear-cut and incapable of interpretation in their illogicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I thought it was timing. Wasn't the noncom campaign (1870) medal enacted @ 6 months after the original combat medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gentlemen,Thanks to all who have contributed such a fine assortment of really interesting and high quality bars to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 damn! what a wonderful Wurtmbrg. bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 .........hmmmm , now that is not really a noncom bar - ok , the Ludwigscross was a noncom award given to people who normally never would get a combattant award - but this guy got even two of them !!! Now you have a combattant bar with one noncom on it...... :wacky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Slivin Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) A few from my collection past and present. These first 3 no longer in the collection. Edited July 3, 2009 by luftkreig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 A little bit of Baden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Third Reich era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Got this one last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 And a new ribbon bar... :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 This is one of my favourite bars in my collection ...don't know how or why i forgot to post this before!The Anschluss medal is a rare varient, it is slightly larger than the standard Flower War medals and it is also magnetic! Best regardsPierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 A new one to my collection. I really love this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) Not too often you see both Faithful Service Decorations represented! Edited August 3, 2009 by luftkreig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Just trying out my new EPSON SCANNER!!!! :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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