Ed_Haynes Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 I, too, am unaware of things unknown, but hear reports.In any case, I think you have suggested a logical chronology, Rick. Until someone extracts the files of contracts from the archives in Ulanbaatar (and figures out how to read the bleedin' things) we may never know for sure. One things to be said for governments -- all governments -- they will keep records of how they spend their (our) treasure.I really like learning new things . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 OK, I'm way behind on my "learning" of cyrillic. We have two nuts, two types:Moscow Artists' Collaberative-Mirror Back & Nut markedMonetny Dvor Is the "Money Mint" Moscow, or Leningrad?Still trying to figure out where the Leningrad Mint fits into the scheme?And I'll ask again........ does anybody have and/or know of any of these that were made in "real silver"?Thanks!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 OK, I'm way behind on my "learning" of cyrillic. We have two nuts, two types:Moscow Artists' Collaberative-Mirror Back & Nut markedMonetny Dvor Is the "Money Mint" Moscow, or Leningrad?Still trying to figure out where the Leningrad Mint fits into the scheme?And I'll ask again........ does anybody have and/or know of any of these that were made in "real silver"?Thanks!!!!!!!!Thats a tough one, Rick. Normally "Monetny Dvor" stands for Moscow Mint and "Leningradskii Monetny Dvor" stands for Leningrad Mint. But you find "Monetny Dvor" marked pieces made in Leningrad mint too, OGPW 2nd classes for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 btw, there are other mint marks on soviet awards too:MMD Moscow MintLMD Leningrad MintKMD Krasnokamsk MintMZPP Moscow "Platinapribor" Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 BUT!!!!! Not in... 1940! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 BUT!!!!! Not in... 1940!Yes, you are right of course. And additionally this is the Mongolian Forum and not the Soviet Forum, stupid me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Well, no matter who made it, it is the one Mongolian Award that I decided to keep. I have 2 examples of each and they're all very beautiful. If there really is a silver one out there, I'd love to get my hands on one. The one thing I have not seen yet is a document. Does anybody have a document for these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Oh yeah.... interesting that with so many things numbered, including Herding Badges from the same era.... but they never numbered this badge. Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 The one thing I have not seen yet is a document. Does anybody have a document for these?Well, I don't own a doc , but I have pix of 3 doc variations .This is the first, no inscriptions on the cover, uighur writingJan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 But, presumably, a document to a Soviet, not to a Mongolian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Variation 2Uighur inscription also on the cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 But, presumably, a document to a Soviet, not to a Mongolian?Yes, so it would seem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Variation 3 Cyrillic doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Yup, the names on all three of those are Soviet. No photo surprises me, but perhaps not given the literal finger nail sized ones we've seen on other Mongolian award books.Can't for the life of me decipher the Year/Month/day down the far left on that first one.The second one at least is in westen numbers, 32-7-25 which makes thata 1942 bestowal!!!Sooooo.... that suggests an "ongoing process." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) Well . . . . . . there was the "badge" (more or less) at the time . . . . . . and then the "medal" later on. A first phase and second phase of issues, but to whom? Battushig implies, but does not detail, the badge/medal threshold. When/why/how did the the Friendly Northerners get their as opposed to Mongolian nationals? Edited February 12, 2006 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I do have a document in my possession.Faded on the outside - probably not visible on scan but there are traces of goldish colored letters / symbols on the cover. The number 29 (i.e. 1939?) is in the inside of the booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 And here's the inside. The seal is of the ministry of defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Interesting. How the heck do we determine this is Halhingol? Does anybody know how this looks spelled in Uigar script? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 As far as I know, there are no other docs with this design, so it is most likely KhG, though I cannot be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 As far as I know, there are no other docs with this design, so it is most likely KhG, though I cannot be sure. Dr B confirmed it to me - that should give reasonable assurance:)What's more interesting: such an abundance of KG awards for sale... yet so few booklets. Perhaps they were only given until after the KG award became a medal vs. a badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I suspect that the sad "reason" is that these are ugly, dirty, worn booklets that nobody can read, and the "pickers" who find them first ASSUME that nobody is going to WANT them-- so they go in the trash.This has been the case, in my collecting lifetime, with:Japanese items (beautiful awards, "no one" can read-- throw paperwork away)Soviet items-- same thing. When the Union fell apart first, and I was pawing through Soviet items, those first dealers were AMAZED that1) I actually COULD read Cyrillic and2) that I (or anybody else) would be interested in "dirty ugly old paper."I think THAT is why we see paperwork so rarely. NOT that families are embarassed about selling items and deliberately destroy paperwork, but that the first buyers "on the scene" for such items can't be bothered paying THEIR money for items which they THINK they can not readily resell. And they may be right about "collectors" who JUST want Shiny Things and couldn't care less about WHO GOT THOSE shiny things.What WE can do is make sure that such On The Spot local "first buyers" know that we DO want the paperwork, and WILL pay for it to be saved in groups rather than anonymous loose items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Any Russian reading person willing to translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 That just states that it was created as a "badge" on 16 August 1940, but changed in status to a "medal" and given a ribbon bar ribbon per decree of 29 December 1966.A physical description of the badge follows-- with NOTHING concerning mirror reverse versus plain reverse or information on makers/dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennC Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Document for 1960 smooth reverse badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennC Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Document for 1960 smooth reverse badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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