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Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

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Hi all,

Sorry to hijack the thread a little, but Slava1stclass gave me permission to post this here. I'm trying to get in touch with Christian Zulus urgently but no luck through PM. Is there somebody here who might be able to help?

Thanks

Jan

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He's quite active on Facebook, do you want me to pass something on? Outsiders can contact Facebook members too, but those messages usually dissapear deep in the caverns of Facebook's messaging system.

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Thank you very much. I've sent you a personal message.

Jan

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Gents,

 

  Just relisted with another price drop of $1,000.00 to an opening bid of $7,999.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Gents,

 

  No takers at $7,999.00 so he's relisted - at $8,999.00 BIN. 

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclss

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Gents,

 

  This OGII to a Full Cavalier is currently available on the well-known auction site for a BIN price of $1,500.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

 

 

Gents,

 

  At least this seller is adjusting his pricing in a more realistic manner (see post #497 above).  He just relisted it at $1,100.00 given it hasn't sold to date.  There is something to said for market economics.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

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This thread should be renamed to 

 

Full cavaliers of the Order of Glory: Present Day realities from CollectRussia.com 

 

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Gents,

 

  At least this seller is adjusting his pricing in a more realistic manner (see post #497 above).  He just relisted it at $1,100.00 given it hasn't sold to date.  There is something to said for market economics.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Gents,

 

  Price has dropped another $100.00 to $1,000.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

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Gents,

 

  Price has dropped another $100.00 to $1,000.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

​Gents,

  His current BIN price has dropped to $900.00.  Other than this Full Cavalier OGII, the market in the West has been absolutely bereft of any Full Cavalier offerings for many, many months. 

  The heady days of the mid-1990s to early 2000s when Full Cavalier sets and loose Full Cavalier OGs could be found at every turn are but a memory today.

Regards,

slava1stclass  

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​Gents,

  His current BIN price has dropped to $900.00.  Other than this Full Cavalier OGII, the market in the West has been absolutely bereft of any Full Cavalier offerings for many, many months. 

  The heady days of the mid-1990s to early 2000s when Full Cavalier sets and loose Full Cavalier OGs could be found at every turn are but a memory today.

Regards,

slava1stclass  

​Gents,

  He recently slashed it another $100.00 to $800.00 BIN.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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​Gents,

  He recently slashed it another $100.00 to $800.00 BIN.

Regards,

slava1stclass

​Gents,

  It's currently down to $700.00 BIN.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

 

 

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Gents,

  This Full Cavalier set sold in Russia in late 2011.  Starting price was 460,000 rubles (slightly over $8,800.00 at today's exchange rate).

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

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ID: 513   Posted (edited)

Hope this is relevant. OG group german Ebay

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​Jan,

  Unfortunately, this group isn't relevant to this thread for a couple of reasons:  1) it is not a Full Cavalier-related group and 2) I question its originality.  It's never a good sign when the seller doesn't include an image of the award booklet page with the awardee's name.  That fact, combined with what to me appear to be a questionable OGII order as well as shaky award entries (the final two in the booklet), are enough to cause a knowledgeable collector to steer clear.

Regards,

slava1stclass 

 

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ID: 514   Posted (edited)

​Jan,

  Unfortunately, this group isn't relevant to this thread for a couple of reasons:  1) it is not a Full Cavalier-related group and 2) I question its originality.  It's never a good sign when the seller doesn't include an image of the award booklet page with the awardee's name.  That fact, combined with what to me appear to be a questionable OGII order as well as shaky award entries (the final two in the booklet), are enough to cause a knowledgeable collector to steer clear.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

​The awardees name/photo is on the last picture of the listing, you have to click the arrow but it is there, about 15 photos in. The recipients photo definatley doesn't appear to be "standard" issue.

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​The awardees name/photo is on the last picture of the listing, you have to click the arrow but it is there, about 15 photos in. The recipients photo definatley doesn't appear to be "standard" issue.

​Gents,

  The seller edited/updated his eBay listing - "Letzte Aktualisierung am  11. Mai. 2015 23:02:44 MESZ" adding an image of the identity page after my original post above.  The identity page was not originally included.

Regards,

slava1stclass 

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​Jan,

  It's never a good sign when the seller doesn't include an image of the award booklet page with the awardee's name. 

Regards,

slava1stclass 

 

​Gents,

  As expected, this "group" is bogus.  There is not a single award entry on file for anyone bearing that name.  As I suggested, not providing an image of the identity page is a bad sign.  In posting an identity page image of a bogus "group" (as this seller eventually did), knowledgeable collectors can simply confirm what they suspected at the outset.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

  

 

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Gents,

  This very nice early OGII to a Full Cavalier (he was later KIA before his OGI was approved) was recently on the market for $750.00.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

 

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Gents,

  An outstanding Category 1 Full Cavalier set currently available at auction.  Opening bid is $17,350.00. 

  It's been quite some time since a set this nice has hit the market.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

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Gents,

  Currently available at the well-known NYC-area dealer.  Asking price is $10,500.00.  It is the first Full Cavalier-related OGI he's had for sale in well over a year. 

  This OGI was issued in March 1956 to replace an erroneous wartime double OGIII award.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

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Gents,

This Category 1 Full Cavalier set to Ivan Tikhonovich Rubezhniy sold at auction in the U.S. on July 17th, 2014. Sale price was $7,000.00.

 

What is especially cool about this set is the fact the OGIII and OGI serial numbers match - legitimately so. Go figure the odds on that!

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  Since my original post last year, this Category 1 Full Cavalier set made its way back east across the big pond.  It will be available via an online auction from 7-10 October 2015 out of an auction house based in Riga, Latvia.  It is unclear what the opening bid is set at. 

  A current image is attached.

Regards,

slava1stclass 

 

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Gents,

  Since my original post last year, this Category 1 Full Cavalier set made its way back east across the big pond.  It will be available via an online auction from 7-10 October 2015 out of an auction house based in Riga, Latvia.  It is unclear what the opening bid is set at. 

  A current image is attached.

Regards,

slava1stclass 

 

 

Well, it was a close call but I didn't manage to buy this set. In the end it went for $11,135+10%=apx $12,200! Should have bought it at the previous US auction...

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Well, it was a close call but I didn't manage to buy this set. In the end it went for $11,135+10%=apx $12,200! Should have bought it at the previous US auction...

USSR,

  Thank you for the post-auction wrap up.  All things considered (see below), that seems like a reasonable price.

  One thing I overlooked/neglected to mention is that while the OGIII's serial number is identical to the OGI's - purely coincidence - the OGIII itself is likely a piece whose original serial number was eradicated and the 2907 serial number added in order to complete the set.  It is unclear whether the Full Cavalier himself did this while still alive or whether it was done once the set changed hands. In any event, the Full Cavalier booklet, OGI and OGII are unaltered originals to this set.

Regards,

slava1stclass

    

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Well, I had my doubts as well about the 3rd class but since you are reconfirming my suspicions, I am glad (or better put: a bit less disappointed) about not 'winning' the auction ;-)

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Gents,

  Recent months have seen more Full Cavalier-related decorations continue to emerge.  Currently available at the well-known NYC-area dealer.  Asking price is $10,400.00. 

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  An OGII to a Full Cavalier which fellow forum member Ferdinand is currently offering on the well-known auction site.

Regards,

slava1stclass

 

 

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