kasle Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Hello I would appreciate any comments on this one.Thanks in advance Obverse with * mark: And the diploma with the case, or probably just storage box: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Lovely Medal, IMO Austrian made. Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasle Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Thank you for the answer, Demir. What do you think about the diploma and the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 What is on the paper in the bottom of the case?ThanksChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasle Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) It´s just a folded strip of vintage newspaper, written in german fraktur. About some exhibition in Kunsthalle, from 17. to 24. September. Entrance is for 20 Pfennigs, students have it for 15...Probably it was just put there by owner to preserve the award from rattling in the case. This is one of the reason why I think it is not an award case, but either storage box, or universal sales case. I know that for example S&L used very similar ones. I still have one of them, just different size. Edited July 13, 2015 by kasle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Hi,I think many awards were shipped in cases that were less than award quality... quite possible that the maker shipped in such a case.If it is Austrian, maybe an austrian member can say if they are typical cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I love the rich enameling on that one. I've never seen a document for this award either. Very nice set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasle Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Here are some diplomas I used as reference.First has only obverse side shown:http://www.turkish-militaria.com/TR/ThemenTR/Urkunden/image004.htmSecond link is more interesting, as there is a photo of the reverse side as well:http://www.europeana1914-1918.eu/en/contributions/6635#prettyPhoto Edited July 14, 2015 by kasle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Thank you for the reference images. Neither of those have German names. I am betting that the German versions are very rare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Hello,IMO the box I think is just a box to keep it safely, but as said above. it may be a box that the Medal was sold with,who knows?For more info on the Certificate please see these articles in the Forum:Best wishesDemir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasle Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Thank you for the useful links, Demir. They confirm what I was able do decipher from the document with the help of my friend. Mainly the fact that the name of awarded person is in second line of text in golden wreath (first photo) - and it indeed is Landgraf. First line is probably the rank (Obermatrose), which is written as "awbrachi" or "awbnachi". Can you please confirm this?Unfortunately, my friend wasn´t able to find awarding date in the text (it´s very hard for him to read such calligraphy, he said). For me it´s very interesting to know it, because the history of SMS Baden (as the biggest war ship and the last one to be built during Kaiserrreich) is quite well documented.I agree with the fact that this is not an awarding box. Right now one boxed TWM with asterisk mark is in offer on ebay and the case looks very different (and better). I am tending to believe, this is sales box, because very similar sales boxes are known to be used. I am posting the photo comparison with one sales box from S&L. It is not so deeply taned, as it is 40 years younger piece.Regards, Miro Edited July 16, 2015 by kasle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hi,It is Onbaşı (Onbashi); CorporalBest wishesDemir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasle Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Thank you very much, Demir!I just googled that Turkish Army has the same word (Onbaşi) for Corporal and Seaman Apprentice, aka German Obermatrose. Though Federal Germany already call this rank Gefreiter.Any chance to catch some date from the doc?Miro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tan berk Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I have four of those * marked TWMs in my collection and yours is as good as them. A very nice grouping if they were all together from the beginning. Regards,Tan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Hello!I´d like to know, why he did recieve that medal.The S.M.S. Baden didn´t have any actions in Turkey.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Baden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Hi, a number of germans recieved it without even being in the theater i think? if I remember correctly, Max bayer had it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Hello,He might have been on another ship before but have it while he was serving in this ship or he was working at the HQ. This certificate is not one of the 30.10.1918 ticket type documents which were distributed that day and given also to those who were not in the theatre, this is a document prepared by the Ottoman authorities. So IMO, I can not say why, but he was awarded this medal.regardsdemir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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