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Cool-may we see the groups and the colonials close up please? Very impressive for three years effort. Is that Mexican campaign medal ribbon original?

Peter! Awesome photo. Thankee' kindly. Gordon-sounds like the basis for a JOMSA article or even a booklet to me. Any chance Charles is interested? Les! Thanks. I'd love to hear more history. Great, wonderful piece of history there.

Doctor aboard the Goeben huh? HE SCORES!!!!!! Congrats! I think you owe Stogierick a pint.

Oh? Then, what is it? An unofficial vanity piece...or was it awarded by a quango? How's life in "Phantomland"? :speechless1:

I learn something new every day! I had supposed that this medal was not awarded post 1914.

very cool. Any chance you can get xeroxes?

.. and THE BACK! (#31!!!-Yay!!!!) Les! PLEASE tell us how your Dad was awarded this medal. It is an awesome piece of history.

the medal:

Here's the certificate: #31.

Welcome to our new member from Oz! It is with great pleasure I post some pictures of his fathers' 1956 order, which he earned in the 1956 Revolution and was given in 1996. This is something new for me, as I wasn't even aware these were out there. For me the BIG and WONDERFUL thing is that the Orders are numbered and match the diploma. Now, if somebody IN Hungary could obtain the Orders Honor roll (and maybe publish it)....... I am just going to post the photos and let Les in Australia (man, would I like to be there today- as snowflakes drift idly past my windowpanes).

Really? Please tell us more. Were these given out at all in WW1?

Off the top of my head there's the Order of Kamemeaha (sp?) which was given out before the US annexation (and may still be out there as a household award). there are also state awards> See here: http://www.medalofvalor.com/Hawaii.htm Floyd, Johnson and Paine, the US medal auction house had one at their last sale. I'll bet Jeff Floyd, a Principal of the firm, can show us a few items. I always wondered why they (FJP) didn't upload their auction photos on to the OMSA database.

As a bit of trivia, Kleitman noted only two Crown Order medalxs awarded between 1900 and 1913. One was worn by the chap below, KIA in 1914. Were there others Kleitman did not know about and who got the other one?

exactly!! von Feldsturms' is an enamel BB & co. Look at the oval SIZE on the right of the tughra. The painted ones are smaller.

Hey!! I remember that bar! :jumping:

Yup: Not mint made and we do not know if they were officially awarded, but German and Austrian pieces were both worn and presented by Ottoman officers. We know this from specific groups. I may also have war time proof of wear by Germans of the BB& Co. pieces in 1918, which corroborates what Kleitman wrote @ 55 years ago. Kleitman referred to these (BB & Co. etc. :"higher quality") as private purchase pieces. Godet however, made their pieces in the 1920-40s.

I am still confused here. German and Austrian made pieces were given and worn by Ottoman officers. Note the smaller tughra size on the Turkish issue piece as compared to the BB& Co. piece.

Great thread!! :Cat-Scratch:

So, if I interpret you correctly, you think that the BB&Co. versions of the star are Ottoman made? Or are you clarifying that the star was and is an Ottoman/Turkish award and not a Wiemar vanity piece?

Ed: What are you talking about? :unsure:

Yup- I still think that's a Binder Bros. catch. If I can only find their kitty-cat hat pin I might be able to prove it.

Any chance the last medal is the centennial 1897 when he did his one year service?

:Cat-Scratch: Where do you get this stuff?

Excellent book!! Urban is the Stephen Ambrose of the 18/19th centuries. His book on the Rifles in Spain is smashing!! It was the best thing I bought 3 years ago.

The BB&Co. version or the Turkish star itself? The BB&Co. version we know was available in the later war period because of multiple pieces in complete collections of stuff ("This is what Grandpa had") and also because there are pieces with provenance to other persons (diplomats, medicos, bureaucrats) that are BB&Co. pieces out there. These provenance items go back a long way and are in catalogs in the 1960s. Also, the BB&Co. version is in the catalog of Bannerman @ 1922 (Rick R. can illustrate) and he had it via a vet for sure. The Turkish version of the medal was awarded to Turks in the Gallipoli campaign. The NCO who put a bullet through the French submarine got one and there's a photo of him wearing it.