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Can you give examples of the latter? I had heard that somebody in China was redoing Angolias' books on CD-they don't care a damn about copyright laws there and even when caught, have a front company that takes the legal hit and has no assets to obtain recompense from.

Interesting discussion, but again, I caution anyone willing to make a CD that if copyright has been reasserted, then it is piracy. Selling CDS for profit is not "free intellectual usage", as is allowed under the law, even if there is a social benefit. German army ranklists are one thing-since they were common state property to begin with and there is a very strong, if not definitive arguement that as such the unconditional surrender in 1945 passed all military property rights to the Allies. Just as the Allies had the right to destroy previously German owned weapons, so they can (or can not) assign intellectual property rights. This was one of the sticking points over the BDC transfer-who exactly owned what. Two men I respect and admire greatly on this Forum have suffered grievously from intellectual theft. The last M.A .article, with Ed's name in 4 point Times font ("thanking him") and using almost verbatim, his descriptions of Iraqi medals, was almost the last straw for me. Kleitman was Hessenthals' assistant and may well have inherited his property after Hessenthals' death. Either way, a legal search should be done in Germany and the EU, since their intellectual property laws are now merging. I believe that Kleitman, who died only @ 15 years ago, left part of his estate to the BDOS and some to OMSA. If that is so, then there are active agents around more than able to assert their legal rights. A redone H & S, translated and with colour photographs of medals, adding Orders as well as additional information, properly footnoted and acknowledged, should pass copyright muster. But it would be a massive task, as has been pointed out.

Here is an American one my cousin sent me: A New Hampshire Masonic veteran's medal. Pity I do not have his particulars....

Thank you Glenn! Intersting stuff! I am grateful.

I suspect that H&S copyright is held by somebody in Germany; there was a reprint done there about 15 years ago and that will lead to real problems if done illegally. I think Orden-der-Welt will know who holds the present copyright as Hessenthal hasn't been dead for the time limit yet anyway to make it publically owned (life of writer + 80 years?).

This has gone from a good thread to a really, really GREAT thread-interesting stuff Gentlemen. Heiko- really, really, really good bars. Are there any photos out there of these bars in wear? The one for Berlin is especially interesting- I wonder if its for 1918/19 or the Kapp Putsc-or both? Pity Verkuilen Ager isn't here-yet. i shall invite him.

and some more details:

I am chanting ye magikal incantation ......

Good stuff! Thanks everybody, esp. Tony...some details of the picture:

Thanks Chaps- Kev, it was a bit early for a tin lid. My question is though, when did RR sell his soul to Satan to obtain information of Reserve Jager officers...or is he looking through the Reserves listed in the 14 ranklist?

And the Beano-the Victor was my favorite.

I got this the othe day. At first I though Royal marine Red Hats-but now I think Canadians-the collar brass says "C over a 10". The ribbons look like war medals-and something solid. The shoulder title is unreadable. Does anyone know who these men are? Thank you.

...stuck between the pages of a Dandy annual-this little treasure-only 10p. The bottom is printed:"Die Marburger Jager im Schutzengraben in Frankreich 1914/15." On the back in sutterlein is: "Fur Schwester Luise- von Hpt. Wachs 3 Comp. Re Jarg-Btl 11, 22 Res. Divis. IV A.K."-obviuosly a locally produced souviner card given to a pretty nurse by a Captain hoping for a letter. Note the grenade-rifle.

I have seen a number of USA state lodge war service medals. There are even Orange Lodge medals and ribbons too-although the ones I have seen are old and from small villages I have never even heard of before.

Not very popular items round my way-but I remember seeing them for half what an EK2 costs. I wish I could find an original UVF badge though-most are modern "copies" used by the gangsters and terrorists.

Try Von Eflers' "Geschicthte der Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Furstentums Waldeck und Pyrmont". How does one make these editing icons on the top bar work?

very nice! Congratulations!

Apparently yes. A historian south of me has two Militar passes to elderly Bavarian Landwehr men who both got the EK2 in late 1919. Their only unit stamps and assignments are the depot, a POW camp and a Reserve Lazarett. They are with a lot of Freikorps type paper and have been together a long, long time-from the 1930s or so and are part of a much larger Bavarian "collection" that I am surveying. Previtera also estimates @200,000 EK2s awarded post war to all ranks. I have noted a LOT of officers docs which show that the officer recived nothing through 1918 and then, as a consolation prize, receives an EK2 upon or shortly before/after being demobbed. Many of these are depot types.

Consider a third possibility- a number of Bavarian POW guards who never saw combat in 14-18 received the EK2 for service against the Spartakists. So did other Freikorps men. There were also late EK2 awards -sometimes by petition, as with Von Ribbentropps' EK1. Nice bar.

Paul- These temporary, specialized officials were Sonderfuhrer-in the TR. Note also that Beamten were subject to Courts of Honour, but there was vigorous debate as to whether Sonderfuhrer were subject to Courts of Honour in the late 1930s.

Doubtful-there is almost no market for these and there is hardly a plethora of them on ebay. I would suggest that this is a tailor-made bar that was worn by an upper/ mid-ranking bureaucrat-a sort of Bernad-type to somebody's Sir Humphrey (ref:"Yes, Minister") and either was an extra or worn infrequently-as many of us do these days in our blue suit world. I wear my medal bar twice a year at best .

see here: http://www.grandearmee.com/browseproducts/...ndlesticks.html Anybody got the Gotha Almanac for 1943/44? I don't find him in 1922 (my last one)- but he was probably too low on the ladder at that date. You might want to write to the Wiesenthal Centre also about the Baron, ever read undefined ?

There was a rerelease of one of these senior VAD's memiors a few yars back- a Lady Something-Hyphonated/Landed-gentry type. I'll see if I can dig it out. Farmborough, whose diaries have never fully been published was a font of information on Russian awards (and why people got what they did). The medal for Zeal was handed out commonly for basically being there and doing a good job in bad circumstances. GREAT GROUP!

Bravo! Well written, interesting and fun to read-you made my morning Sir. Thankee.

A really wonderful group-obviously a VAD sister who was a friend of Florence Farmborough's and served in the Balkans. You may be in luck. See here: http://collections.iwm.org.uk/upload/pdf/Info40.pdf I would write to them as the VAD records are quite complete and managable-and there are a number of VAD experts out there who might help.