JohanH

The earliest awarded 1941 crosses were made in the same style as 1939 crosses with "numbers popping out". These are getting harder and harder to find. There are 1939 crosses with the year stamped, just like the 1941 crosses. These are also difficult to find. Probably given as duplicates or to those who got the award late after the old stock was empty. Honestly I don't think it is possible to make any conclusions on when the different styles were awarded. There are ALOT of different types of Liberty crosses. From small subtle differences to big differences like the ones you show. Also you can never really know if a cross and a certificate really belong together unless they come directly from the original family. To pair up awards with documents to get a higher price is extremely common. With risk of sounding negative, I'm sorry to say it but I think you are working on an impossible task.

I like this photo of Verner Gustafsson! He is wearing two Liberty crosses, two White Roses and two German Eagles. And alot of other medals and orders.

There is not a von Ilsemann in my list of German recipients of the Liberty Cross.

Here is my miniature.

Very nice collection! Unfortunately I still don't have anyone in my collection. Only a miniature.

Here is a very old and unusual Swedish miniature.

Here are two royal commemorative medals. Gustav VI Adolf 85 years birthday in 1967. Awarded 650 times. Carl XVI Gustaf 50 years birthday in 1996. Awarded 498 times.

There were 91 Libertycrosses of 4th class with red cross awarded to Swedes during 1941-1944. So it would take a lot of work to ID but not impossible. I'll see if I can find any possible suspects...

Could it be vapenrock m/1845? See this uniform that belonged to Oscar II. Vapenrock m/1845 - Armémuseum / DigitaltMuseum You could ask Armémuseum if they know. They are usually very helpful. Vapenrock till Oskar I:s generalsuniform m:1845 - Sök i samlingarna (shm.se) Vapenrock till uniform m: 1845 för general. - Sök i samlingarna (shm.se)

I seems like I need to look in earlier state calendars to see if I could ID the original recipient. I think it should be possible since this order was not that usual to Swedes. Does anyone have any idea if the Italian order of crown is possible to date? Here is the back. Not much to see but still... Court mounted.

Here is the whole medalbar.

Thank you Antonio! That was much earlier than I thought. I thought I had ID:ed the medalbar but if it is that early my theory crashes since my suspect was born in 1886. The hunt for a new suspect continues. BTW do you have any idea of how much it could be worth? If I will fail with my ID it won't stay in my collection since the medalbar only has foreign orders and no Swedish or Finnish which is what I collect.

Here is the photo. Unfortunately there is a damage in the enamel on the back .

Hello! Is there any way to date a Order of Isabella the Catholic? I have recently got a small medalbar with an knight Italian Order of the Crown and the Spanish knight Order of Isabella the Catholic and would like to know if it is possible to date it? A picture is on it's way.

Now you have a few more photos of him. 🙂

It seems we already discussed this particular miniaturebar back in 2021...

I would say that the last two are definitly ID:able. The others might be possible but a lot of work. Is the Liberty cross with red cross hallmarked for silver? If so, what year is it from?

It is not a double-bladed sword. it is a broken sword. I believe a broken sword represents the invalided (broken) soldier.

It's been a long time since any activity in this thread... Here are a nice miniature bar that should be possible to ID. A connection between the town of Norrköping and Belgium. A consul perhaps? Here is a small miniature bar from Finland with a Swedish connection. Not going to be possible to ID.

Thank you for the pictures! I don't know how many went to foreigners. But there was a total of 1160 crosses + 209 with oakleaves so a grand total of 1369 awarded (both on yellow and red ribbon). I have one on yellow ribbon awarded to a Swede.

Is it possible to get a close up on the Finnish document? Great group by the way!

He got the Swedish order on August 29th 1911.

I believe #3 is a kleindekoration of the grand cross of the military order of Savoy. Kaiser Wilhelm received that order in 1888.

I agree with you. The more I look at the picture the less I believe it is the Bulgarian order of civil merit. Both the crown and the "things" between the cross arms are wrong. What other orders use that kind of cross? I can't think of anything other than Bulgarian orders.