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Hi Chris, I do not believe that. Regards Uwe

The catalog from 19657/1958 (R?stkammer Assmanshausen) show two pictures of the DRL without swastika. The first with the tip (?), together with 1957 versions. The second without the tip, together with other post war products. I have never seen a DRA in post war catalogs. But in this catalog you can find a sports badge BSA, awarded 1949 - 1952! Regards Uwe

I have only a few sales catalogs, the earliest is from 1956, the next from 1957/58. The 1956 catalog (Sedlatzek) is without pictures, but with the handwritten hint, all originals as awarded! All in good quality! It is the time direct before the "Ordensgesetz" in 1957. As awarded is for the sports badges DRL with swastika.

Hi Joe, which different sports badges do you mean, and which sort of catalogs? Regards Uwe

Hi, f?r den beurlaubten Kommandanten Regards Uwe

But now, a closeup view: reverse, all is perfect averse: it is over-worked, but in the die! And you can see a part of a swastika! A post war modification in the tools. No DRL without swastika 1934, 1935, 1936 or 1937. post war! Regards Uwe

The DRL without swastika:

Thanks for your patience with me Several years ago a german collecter wrote an article about the DRL without swastika in the german journal of the BDOS e.V. Bund Deutscher Ordenssammler Deutsche Gesellschaft f?r Ordenskunde e.V. (Society of German medal collectors). He did not show the picture, but he stated, that there is a DRL sports badge without swastika in the Third Reich, between DRA and DRL with swastika. Than he described a sport badge from Wernstein Jena without a swastika, and the swastika was not filed off. It was made in this design original in the dies, no POW denazified it, no jewelers hand work. I have never seen this piece. But in my collection I found a piece he described, original stamped. Wernstein Jena D.R.G.M. 35269. No swastika, nothing over-worked. First I will show you two over-worked pieces. You can find many thausands of it, all different.

Hi Peter, hi Rick, so much compliments Thank you. Peter, first, the pictures on the top of page 234 are irritating, better, wrong. Left is shown the obverse of a DRL with swastika (with tip), the other picture show the reverse of an original DRL with swastika. That could not match, because there were different needles. Second, please look for page 236 in post 12, Angolia. Third, it is not an award, it is only a repetition (Wiederholung). All the 4 pages are shown. He gained Bronze in 1934, 18 years old. In 1935 he tried, to make his first repetition, but it is not finished. He does not met the conditions for group (Gruppe) 4. And there is, logical, no attestation (Bescheinigung). When he had fulfilled all the 5 exercises, he could get the attestation for his first repetition. For silver he had to fulfill this in 6 years with 6 further repetitions. The text belonging to the pictures is partly wrong. Regards Uwe

Hi Christophe, that make sense. Thank you! Regards Uwe

My copy, shown before, and here with an other picture of the reverse: It weighs 36,4g and measures just 45,4mm x 36,8mm Regards Uwe

Hi Riley, a very good idea. But when I compare it, there are there several points not matching: - the colour of the Golikov bar is more red than brown - the width of the stripes is different, the middle stripes on the Golikov bar are smaller - the medal is instituted 1963, the picture is from 1962 - no listing of this medal in the above named book But it could be? Regards Uwe

This is the foto out of the book "Marshals and Admirals of the Fleet of the USSR", page 116. That is exact the bar in my collection (picture from 1962): Regards Uwe

Hi, nobody can help me with this one bar?

Hi Tony, hi Rick, than the decoration on the picture from 1929 is the 3rd class. Regards Uwe

Hi Rick, and what do you think about A.E. K?CHERT WIEN? Regards Uwe

Hi Rick, "My suggestion: change to german sport badges 1948 - 1952, before the sport badge DSB. You can find there sport badges with DSA, BSA, LSA and SLA. And sport badges DRL without swastika." At the same time, when the DRL without swastika werde made, you could find in reality several other sport badges. Here are the minis: Deutsches Sportabzeichen DSA (1948 - 1952) Landes-Sportabzeichen LSA (1949 - 1952) Bundes-Sportabzeichen BSA (1949 - 1952) Sport-Leistungs-Abzeichen SLA (Bavaria 1949 - 2007) Deutsches Sportabzeichen DSB (1952 - 2006) Regards Uwe

My Gau badge Ostannover. I don't think, that it is only a tinnie. Regards Uwe

Hi Rick, this document is from Mai 1935. The earliest DRL award document booklet I have seen in the CARL-Diem-Archiv ist dated 4.35, April 1935. "I am retreating back into the World of DRA, where only street addresses matter." My suggestion: change to german sport badges 1948 - 1952, before the sport badge DSB. You can find there sport badges with DSA, BSA, LSA and SLA. And sport badges DRL without swastika. Regards Uwe

Award document booklet (small version for repetitions, 4 pages) for Silber, printed December 1933 (12.33.), in-box 30.11.1938: Award Silber 21.01.1939, stuck into the award document booklet for Bronze: Regards Uwe

"When DID a DRL with swastika REPLACE the DRA?" The text in a book, written 1988 by experts (J?rgen Buschmann and Karl Lennartz) from the "Carl-Diem-Archiv an der Deutschen Sporthochschule K?ln", book title "75 Jahre Deutsches Sportabzeichen", page 60: "Die Initialen wurden erst 1935 von DRA (Deutscher Reichsausschu?) in DRL (Deutscher Reichsbund f?r Leibes?bungen) ge?ndert. Auf der Bandschleife wurde ein Hakenkreuz angebracht." Rough translation: Changing the initials from DRA to DRL in 1935 and placing a swastika on the loop. Look for Karl Lennartz and J?rgen Buschmann: http://www.google.de/search?q=%22Karl+Lenn...;client=firefox Chances are that several DRA badges were given in 1935, to use up the rest. But in 1935 the first badges DRL with swastika were given, definitely. The award documents DRA were used several years later, similarly to use up the rest, especially the documents for repetition. One example for one man: Award document booklet for Bronze, printed in May 1934 (bottom 5.34.) Award Bronze 21.12.1934:

DRL Wernstein Jena D.R.G.M 35269: Regards Uwe

DRA Wernstein Jena-L?bstedt D.R.G.M 35269:

Hi Rick, "and when was Number 35269 registered for the DRL with swastika design?" I don't know, but that is irrelevant. This number 35269 changed from 33918 in the era of the DRA badges. DRA Wernstein Jena-L?bstedt D.R.G.M 33918:

Hi Rick, I'm not alone with that opinion. J?rg Nimmergut deleted the price rating for this badges some years before. I recognized that after my first doubts. This is the fourth forum, where I post it. Nobody could present a primary source out of this time, with a reference to a badge DRL without swastika. Regards Uwe