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And now one is in my collection! The small badge is from July 1935, I think, produced earlier in May or June. It shows the sports badge DRL with swastika. 31.6mm x 45.1mm Regards Uwe

Hi Andr?, Nahkampfspange (1. Stufe) Kdr. Gr. Rgt. 391 [Kommandeur Grenadierregiment 391] Regards Uwe

Next attempt 1. General (Ritter v.) Kleinhenz. Kommandeur 14. bayerische Infanteriedivision; last rank Generalleutnant 2. Hptm. (Hauptmann) Hofel 3. " Obermeier 4. " Meiser 5. " Retter 6. Olt. (Oberleutnant) Leist 7. " Auer 8. Lt. (Leutnant) Uberreiter 9. " Strobel 10. " Neuberg 11. " Menke 12. Intendant Br?ckner 13. Oberkriegsgerichtsrat Lieberich 14. Oberstabsarz(t) Lyon 15. Feldhilfsarz(t) Ceprich Divisionsstab 14. b. I.D. (14. bayerische Infanteriedivision) Regards Uwe

And here is the medal separated, averse and reverse: Regards Uwe

"Dietrich Herfurth Sowjetische Auszeichnungen 1018-1991" said, that there are 2 variants, in silver and silvered. Look here as well: http://www.mondvor.narod.ru/MOhrGran.html First my bar with this medal

The piece shown here from the shooting club is very high priced. First, it is not complete, there is something missing in the middle (see my example in the middle) Second, it is damaged, see left on the arm. The pieces in my picture can be allocated to the period 1954-1961. Regards Uwe

Hi Roeland, the first cross is a typical award for a member in a shooting club. Civil, not military Please look here: http://www.steinlueck.de/schuetzen/unterru...F6nigsabzeichen or here: http://www.steinlueck.de/schuetzen/unterru...0und%20Auflagen Regards Uwe

Hi Joe, please look here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=874 Regards Uwe

Hallo Hardy, yes, all the salesmen as Erich Beinhorn, Friedrich Sedlatzek, Fahnen-Fleck, Die Ordenssammlung, Rudolf Souval Wien, et cetera, et cetera sold the Third Reich decorations with swastika before 1957. You can find several of these decorations as originals in many collections Till 1957 there was no other design! Sorry, no pictures in that catalog. Regards Uwe

Hi Chris, I do not believe that. Regards Uwe

The catalog from 19657/1958 (R?stkammer Assmanshausen) show two pictures of the DRL without swastika. The first with the tip (?), together with 1957 versions. The second without the tip, together with other post war products. I have never seen a DRA in post war catalogs. But in this catalog you can find a sports badge BSA, awarded 1949 - 1952! Regards Uwe

I have only a few sales catalogs, the earliest is from 1956, the next from 1957/58. The 1956 catalog (Sedlatzek) is without pictures, but with the handwritten hint, all originals as awarded! All in good quality! It is the time direct before the "Ordensgesetz" in 1957. As awarded is for the sports badges DRL with swastika.

Hi Joe, which different sports badges do you mean, and which sort of catalogs? Regards Uwe

Hi, f?r den beurlaubten Kommandanten Regards Uwe

But now, a closeup view: reverse, all is perfect averse: it is over-worked, but in the die! And you can see a part of a swastika! A post war modification in the tools. No DRL without swastika 1934, 1935, 1936 or 1937. post war! Regards Uwe

The DRL without swastika:

Thanks for your patience with me Several years ago a german collecter wrote an article about the DRL without swastika in the german journal of the BDOS e.V. Bund Deutscher Ordenssammler Deutsche Gesellschaft f?r Ordenskunde e.V. (Society of German medal collectors). He did not show the picture, but he stated, that there is a DRL sports badge without swastika in the Third Reich, between DRA and DRL with swastika. Than he described a sport badge from Wernstein Jena without a swastika, and the swastika was not filed off. It was made in this design original in the dies, no POW denazified it, no jewelers hand work. I have never seen this piece. But in my collection I found a piece he described, original stamped. Wernstein Jena D.R.G.M. 35269. No swastika, nothing over-worked. First I will show you two over-worked pieces. You can find many thausands of it, all different.

Hi Peter, hi Rick, so much compliments Thank you. Peter, first, the pictures on the top of page 234 are irritating, better, wrong. Left is shown the obverse of a DRL with swastika (with tip), the other picture show the reverse of an original DRL with swastika. That could not match, because there were different needles. Second, please look for page 236 in post 12, Angolia. Third, it is not an award, it is only a repetition (Wiederholung). All the 4 pages are shown. He gained Bronze in 1934, 18 years old. In 1935 he tried, to make his first repetition, but it is not finished. He does not met the conditions for group (Gruppe) 4. And there is, logical, no attestation (Bescheinigung). When he had fulfilled all the 5 exercises, he could get the attestation for his first repetition. For silver he had to fulfill this in 6 years with 6 further repetitions. The text belonging to the pictures is partly wrong. Regards Uwe

Hi Christophe, that make sense. Thank you! Regards Uwe

My copy, shown before, and here with an other picture of the reverse: It weighs 36,4g and measures just 45,4mm x 36,8mm Regards Uwe

Hi Riley, a very good idea. But when I compare it, there are there several points not matching: - the colour of the Golikov bar is more red than brown - the width of the stripes is different, the middle stripes on the Golikov bar are smaller - the medal is instituted 1963, the picture is from 1962 - no listing of this medal in the above named book But it could be? Regards Uwe

This is the foto out of the book "Marshals and Admirals of the Fleet of the USSR", page 116. That is exact the bar in my collection (picture from 1962): Regards Uwe

Hi, nobody can help me with this one bar?

Hi Tony, hi Rick, than the decoration on the picture from 1929 is the 3rd class. Regards Uwe

Hi Rick, and what do you think about A.E. K?CHERT WIEN? Regards Uwe