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Wow, thank you both alot! @Glenn J You were right I was way too pessimistic - but I think this is not "my" man, I am sure that Metallica hit it on the spot as it is infantry and the right regiment! But anyway thank you so much (again), too! @Metallica That's just brilliant, this is him, definitely! I am so grateful :-) I owe you one in better days, definitely!

Hi all and many thanks sofar! @Metallica Thanks for the links and hints, very interesting, especially the 1813 list - you are right it is somehow a piece of art, wonderful to read! @The Prussian Interesting - I did not know that there are no regular, printed Quartierlisten from 1813-1816! @Glenn J That would be nice though I am afraid that he may perhaps not be found. His surname is Storch and he is listed (I guess) as Sekonde-Lieutenant of the 13te Landwehr-Regiment, 3rd Battalion, in the Quartierliste of 1823. He did take part in die 1813-15 wars but I do not know whether he already was an officer (-candidate) back then. I guess if yes he was part of a Landwehr-unit and a very junior officer. Greetings to all ArHo

Yes, I recall similar experiences during my peacetime service - but hey, at least I never had to go to real war, so I never had a problem with them jokes being on me ? It is interesting to note that the (quite young) men at the left wears an apron so he seems to have taken a break from work to go and look... BTW: I just finished reading - again - "Manöver im Herbst" (Maneuver in autumn) by Konsalik. It is still very helpful if one seeks to try to understand a little bit what motivated men in these days. All the best ArHo

Hi all, I currently research a prussian veteran officer of the Napoleonic Wars 1813-15. For this I urgently need to check the Rang- und Quartierliste der Königlich Preußischen Armee But unfotunately the years 1813 to 1816 are neither available online nor in the libraries i can access and those who own it do not lend them... So if anyone here has access to any of the Quartierlisten 1813 to 1816 I would be grateful for hekp / support. All the best ArHo

Well, I guess he is an officer and wears the Hohenzollern cross with swords, does he? :-) All the best

A little addition: Walter and his brother Max are listed in the Rememberance Book of the Imperial Association of Jewish Front-Soldiers (Gedenkbuch des Reichsbund jüdischer Frontsoldaten (RjF)). RiP Utffz. GUMPRICH Max Münster, Westf. 08.07.1891 Münster, Westf. 18.09.1916 3. I. R. 16 658 Lnt, GUMPRICH Walter Münster, Westf. 28.12.1895 Münster, Westf. 30.09.1918 5. I. R. 30 1326

You are very likely correct on his religious background - the Yad Vashem Shoah victims database lists quite a number of Gumprichs and several of them from Münster. Greetings

Hi Glenn, I will try to order earlier Bekleidungsvorschriften through my library-network-service, let's see what happens in times of disease... (I will let you know the results). Thanks for the book tip - I did not have Radecke on the list but just found out my local library will give it to me ? I agree on your further comments. When writing my question I thought primarily about ww1-veterans who later joined the police after the war had ended. There were quite a lot of them (among the officers they must have dominated) and enough held out until after 1932 when they had pictures made with their decorations. All the best ArHo

Dear Glenn, thanks for your reply - I did not have this Bekleidungsvorschrift before in its original Form! Do you perhaps happen to know of / have available any earlier Bekleidungsvorschriften where decorations are mentioned? As I wrote before: I find it very curious that over the years most of the pictures of policemen from the 1920s mostly lack (definitely existant) medals except the Sportabzeichen (sports badge). And if it was allowed to wear them on the uniform in public this would be very strange, wouldn't it? Greetings ArHo

Dear all, looking at my Weimar police pictures I noted that in the early years one can seldom see men, who had definitely earned ww1 medals / orders, wearing them on their uniform. I know that towards the end of the Weimar Republic the wearing of such decorations was explicitely allowed in different variants. But my question to the members of this forum is: Was it ever explicitely and officially forbidden for Weimar Policemen to wear their decorations? If any of you knows more about this topic I would love to hear about it / be grateful for any reading / sources tips - the book I managed to get says nothing about it (Löhken / Die Polizeiuniformen). All the best ArHo

Hi all, though I do not know it for sure this may be a father with his sons - if this is true, it may be one of the German military families with most EKs for the war 1870/71. Of course it may also "just" be a meeting of close family members serving in the military, but I somehow like the thought of father and sons. I would date it before 20. May 1871 because none of them wears the Kriegsdenkmünze. Unfortunately there was no name accompanying the picture. So does perhaps anyone "know" or recognize the "old man" with general's rank to the right? Happy to hear from you! ArHo

If we try to figure out who the person pictured is - given he indeed wears the goldene Militär-Sanitäts-Ehrenzeichen (which I find likely) - we may take into account that Stabsarzt Dr. Carl Philipp Ahles died in 1846 aged 74 years. So he was born ca. 1772. This means that, given that the Ludwigs-Orden was instated in 1827, he has to have been already 55 years of age when he was painted. I have to say that the man pictures does not look like a 55 years old man to me (but of course he may haven been pimped by the painter or simply be wearing a wig...). So I would opt for Eichheimer, his curliness may have been cut away by the scissors... Just my 2 cents :-) https://books.google.de/books?id=Nb9AAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA176&dq=Stabsarzt+Dr.+Carl+Ahles&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf5NC1qYruAhWE3KQKHe3CCSoQ6AEwAXoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=Stabsarzt%20Dr.%20Carl%20Ahles&f=false Also, there is a list of those awarded with the goldene and silberne Militär-Sanitäts-Ehrenzeichen here: https://www.deutsche-gesellschaft-fuer-ordenskunde.de/DGOWP/links/verleihungslisten/bayern/

Thank you Laurentius - it is always a joy to see paintings that have been made with this love of detail down to the buttons! I congratulate you on this beautiful piece of art and history?

Christope, if you know for sure that the name on the man on your photo was Borßdorf than you will find what he did in 1870/71 in the book I posted the link to - he is mentioned several times in name. There was no other Borßdorf in the Saxon army in these days. Cheers!

Achja, this seems to go on and on... Thanks for posting, I guess it is important to decoment these pictures to avoid more people getting fooled ? @Djedj I would love to see the Vorlage for any one of these - I had guessed that they were fabricated before (whole or in part) but of course the quality of the images given is not good enough. Here are the ones from two other auctions in October and November (the "sideburns"-guy) I post here, also of course for no other than documentary reasons. It looks like someone "faked" (?) a whole album that was ripped up later and sold in part some time in the past already??? I would really, really love to know the whole story behind all this... And one more to document it: These were on sale in November - have "fun" (I love the guy with the 1970s sideburns...) ?

@laurentius An impressive picture! I do not want to bother you but I would love to see the medals as closeup! Cheers!

You can research french war dead here: ttps://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/article.php?larub=80&titre=-morts-pour-france-during-the-first-world-war Your man may be this one: https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/arkotheque/client/mdh/base_morts_pour_la_france_premiere_guerre/detail_fiche.php?ref=702052&debut=0 Cheers

But what is he wearing under the belt? We can clearly see that there is "something" with a "straight" outerside (like a cross). I would guess the Saxon Erinnerungskreuz 1866? There is only one man called Borßdorf since 1866 (Leutnant der Reitenden Artillerie) and until 1877 (Rittmeister 2. Husaren, I did not check later) he had not received any other orders... What do you think? Good explanation (= all his Saxon stuff in front of all the Prussian stuff?)?

I think he means the Königlich Sächsischer Verdienstorden, Ritterkreuz mit Schwertern - its visible on the picture and Borßdorf got it 1871 (compare p. 503): https://books.google.de/books?id=hXlBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA505&dq=Moritz+Ernst+Louis+Borßdorf&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwisoZvw_v_tAhUT4OAKHbKcDjkQ6AEwBXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Hi! Your're right - for some strange reason vols. 1-4 are easy to get online everywhere (e. g. archive.org) but vol. 5 (sechster and siebter Zeitraum = "periods" 6 + 7 from 1803-1866) is almost nowhere to find. I never found out why... Well, if your IP is US you may at least read it completely at hathitrust. Cheers!

Well, well - at least you now own ze undeniable proof zat ze easterbunny woz zere to hail ze beginning of ze war to end all wars on ze german side! ;-)

Okay, last one for this year! Meet Max Karl August Gottschalck, Generalmajor at the end of his long and meritious career. In 1870/71 he served with IR 31. In this picture, taken in Göttingen, we see him as commander (Oberst and Regimentskommandeur) of IR 82, stationed there. A post he held from 1.3.1888 to 23.3.1890. Amongst all his other medals and orders he wears his nicely pictured BrHL2b. All the best for 2021!

Oookay... Josef Steiner?? ?

Hmm just a guess - Ritter von Tutschek?

Hi, I thought you may find this foto interesting. It is taken from Wikipedia and "Gemeinfrei", so there is no reason not to post it here for documentary reasons. According to the accompanying notes this scan of the 1868 dated original photograph, which is luckily in possession of Hoffmann's family, was made by user: Ditero (source). The picture shows Georg Heinrich Hoffmann (* 24.05.1797 in Lauterberg in the Harz; †05.05.1868 in Hannover). He was a german Mathematician, fireworker, artillerist and teacher as well as a painter and waterworks engineer. The military career of this gifted and talented man was, in very short: He was educated at the artillery school in Hanover and when Napoleon came back in 1815 he participated in this years well known campaign against the threat. He was cannoneer in an artillery unit and participated in the battle of Waterloo. For this, he received the Hanoverian Waterloo medal. Later, but very likely for all his other successes, he was also made a knight of the Royal Guelphic Order. Please note the interesting style in which he wears what I strongly believe to be his Hanoverian Waterloo medal under his frock collar! Cheers