David M

I think it is really important that we unite on this, It would be a waste of all our precious time if there are several people with the Lubeck rolls all starting at the same point. So pleeeeaaaase for your own good make have contact with each other here, devide the work and publish together! My bett is that it would be most valuable for if the publication would be in the way Rick and Daniel do theirs. But I just like uniformity (call me crazy). For this we should want to know 1. who has the L?beck rolls already 2. who wants to join (no loads and loads, because coordination will be difficult and so will publication be in the end) 3. Ricks opinion on the endeavour Again I would like to express my willingness to help out with the transcription

Although some rolls have already been acquired by forummembers, I do not know if we have got them all already. I amsure we will find that out soon. Are you only interested in the Lubeck rolls Stijn or would you take on all 3 (1 at the time ofcourse) Please let me know, and we will see what we do in starting up a project on the hanseatics David

So what is the story behind the Order of Milosch the Great? It really looks astonishing!! David

Question on the SEHO's being published: are the once referred to in the 1st ost of this topic the WWI ones or is someone working on the pre 1914 ones as well? I contacted the Archives this week at Meiningen and they told me that as far as the Staatshandb?cher are concerned, the orderslist only gives years and no dates (which I tend to find quite useless, As I am a context fan and like to place the decorations on an exact date in order to find out the exact reason for the award) (this is all pre WWI I am talking about here) David

What is so specific about the Doorn periode? Are there any lists of the HHO awarded in this time? Were it just Knight Crosses or also other grades? David

BTW its not Alphonse but Adolf of Luxembourg

or check Lukas Gaszewskis ribbon chart sites, most of the ribbons of the continent are there. Dont have the url on hand, but would not be hard to find (google) I guess Lots of luck and keep us informed of what you find out, or when you ID'd the ribbon. Maybe the periode of the other ribbons tell you what other country you should look for. Although I am dutch, I have no idea whatsoever as to what the other ribbon stand for, but I am sure you know regards David

I have no idea, havent chcked the article, just the colours

I know it seemed familiar, check this one and tell me what you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_M...l_and_St_George

Thanks for checking and explaining. As far as Georg is concerned, of whom I hav no picture at all, I will have to rely on the single rolls of Rick and Daniel as they are being published. David

Would someone like this be in it, the book covers the different regierungs?mter right?: Major Georg Emil Theodor M?ldner von M?lnheim 15.5.1918 dem Kriegsministerium ?berwiesen, 17.5.1918 Milit?rkommission Kiew, 9.11.1918 Bevollm?chtigter des Kriegsministeriums f?r die Ukraine, Gesandter zu Kiew, 1.3.1919 demobilisiert, 24.7.1919 Versorgungsabteilung des Kriegsministerium, 9.4.1920 Abschied mit Pension und mit der Range als Oberstleutnant. regards David

Hi Rick and Johan many thanks for both your input @ Rick would you happen to have an the MMC for NCO you mentioned scanned as well? Regards David

Please see the first post, I made some additions due to new data I got today

Hi Paul Highest rank would be Leutnant der Reserve with or wihout the Matrosenartillerie addition. His entry at volksbund.de suggest this also: http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche/conte...D0A6EC9DAD8BB6F Hope you can help me David

Hi Gents I am looking for some more info on the WWII career of my greatgrandfathers cousin Wilhelm Albert Karl August M?ldner, geboren Berlin 07.11.1887, Inhaber des Eisernen Kreuzes II. und I. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen), Seefliegerabzeichen (K?nigreich Preussen) (24.09.1915), 1917 Leutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie, gestorben Berlin Luftwaffelazarett Halle-D?lau 04.11.1942. Dienstzeit bei der Luftwaffe 30.09.1935-28.10.1935 Fliegerhorstkommandantur Perleberg (?bung), Anfangsdatum nicht vermerkt-04.11.1942 1. Flieger-Waffentechnische Schule I, Halle an der Saale. Got his Wehrpass data today, a remark: 22.06.1942-22.09.1942 1. Flieger-Waffentechnische Schule I, Halle an der Saale, seit 23.09.1942 Flieger Ersatz Bataillon IV. Although the other questions remain, I would like to add: Were was his last unit? Who commanded it? The Wehrpass shows a Hauptmann with a K and a Oberstlieutenant with a B or L. Would there be any kind of documentation on this school and would in this documentation be mentioning of Wilhelm M?ldner? Would his rank still be Lt d R der Matrosenartillerie, or would he just be Lt dR? Hope to get some info here. Normally I am focussing on WWI, as there were some other familymembers in that war. Regards and thanks David

Hi Gents I am looking for a picture of a uniformed Leutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie. I know it is a bit specific but have not been able to find something similar on the internet yet. My greatgrandfathers cousin was a pilot athe SFA in Varna during WWI. His full career (from the WAST) Wilhelm Albert Karl August M?ldner, geboren Berlin 07.11.1887, gestorben Luftwaffelazarett Halle-D?lau 04.11.1942. 24.09.1915 Seefliegerabzeichen, 25.05.1916 Bulgarian Tapferkeitskreuz IV. Klasse (do I read this one right? what does it look like?) 04.06.1916 Eiserne Kreuze II. 02.09.1916 Osmanischer Kriegsmedaillen (would love to see a picture of this one!) 02.09.1916 Bulgarian Militair Verdienst Kreuz (a picture of this one anyone?) 23.07.1917 Eiserne Kreuze I. Klasse, 23.03.1918 Bulgarian Seeflieger Abzeichen (a picture of this one?) 23.03.1918 Osmanischer Halbmond (which I guess is the read star like equivalent of the EKI, right?) 22.08.1914 Diensteintritt im Freiwillige Marine Flieger Korps (Berlin-Johannisthal), II Seeflieger-Abteilung (SFA): 31.07.1915 Obermatrose, dann Bootmannsmaat, 11.1915 Flugmaat, 06.11.1915-03.12.1915 Seeflieger-Station (SFS) Borkum, wo er mit dem Friedrichshafen FF 29a (Seeaufkl?rer) Nummer 419 flog, 23.01.1916-12.10.1916 und 01.05.1917-16.06.1917 I. SFA: SFS Varna (Bulgarien), hier war er Flugzeugf?hrer der Friedrichshafen FF 33e (Seeaufkl?rer), Nummer 507, 529, 530, 723, 738, 780, 835, 861 und 862, 04.07.1916 Vizeflugmeister, 24.05.1917H Leutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie, 15.09.1917-03.1918 II. Adjutant der Stab der I. SFA (Kiel-Holtenau), 30.04.1918 zur Dienstleistung bei der Kommandeur der Flieger des Marine Korps Flandern (KoFl) commandirt (Zeebr?gge, Belgien), 06.05.1918 unter Enthebung von dem Commando zur Dienstleistung bei der KoFl, zur Verf?gung der Marine Flugchef (Berlin) vom 25.08.1918-25.09.1918 Reservelazarett Bad Nauheim (Erkrankung), dann bis Kriegsende zur Verf?gung der Marine Flugchef (Berlin), 21.01.1920 ausser Dienst. Dienstzeit bei der Luftwaffe 30.09.1935-28.10.1935 Fliegerhorstkommandantur Perleberg (?bung), Anfangsdatum nicht vermerkt-04.11.1942 1. Flieger-Waffentechnische Schule I, Halle an der Saale. So most specifically I am actually looking for just a picture of any of the uniforms Wilhelm would have worn at some point in his career (will also post this on the IIIrd Reich forum for his final years) From his Wehrpass, which I received today, I added some data. I hope you will be so kind to help me out in finding pictures of the ODM's I dont know what they look like. Thanks again David

Thats great dave, thanks. I guess the Isenburg was am bavarian general for the same reason as the several other german princes were prussian generals. And than ofcourse: the prince of all Isenburg lands was a member of the confederation of the Rhine, as was Bavaria. I guess his militairy career started before the confederation was dissolved. BTW I guess von Throtha's KHW1 stands for Grandcross of the kurhessian Wilhelmsorden? regards David

Hi Dave I am specifically looking for Generallieutenant Graf von Isenburg-Philippseich, mentioned as such in 1831. I am looking for firstname, place and date of birth and death and the source of the information. regards David

Hi In my data I have a bavarian Generallieutenant receiving the CHGL1. I am wondering if there is any source like the priesdorf volumes for bavarian generals in the 1st half of the 19th century? Regards David

I think I know someone who might help me out. He has ranklists ranging from 1848-1918, but is is not available at the moment. I will keep you posted on my progress, which will probably be no sooner than end August. regards and many thanks for your help David

That would be an interesting book, what does it mention? All the EK1 and the reasons for award?

Hi Dave because of his other foreign decorations I would say number 1. However 1849 was a turbulent year, so any of the other von Sch?lers could be in a position to earn a CHGL4 by then I guess..... But at least we know there are only 4 von Sch?lers around that time, which is surely helpfull. Would there be an 1850/1860 ish ranklist in your collection as well? Maybe accounts in such a list would be comparable to Priesdorf and maybe the lists does mention all the foreign awards.

Hi Glenn Thanks so much for checking! does it state if one of the 3 served in the Kriegsministerium? The list I have is from 1851 and there it says Major von Schoeler von Kriegsministerium. I don't know if there is specific info like that in Priesdorf on Kriegsministerium service, but that is what I have. So I guess I should be looking for someone with a 1850 ranklist.... regards David

Hi Gents In my data I have a recipient of the Knightscross CHGL 13.02.1849 as : k?niglich preussischen Major von Sch?ler vom Kriegsministerium (no first name given ofcourse, that would be to easy).... I was hoping that it will turn out to be one of the generals mentioned in Priesdorff, because that would make researching his career a lot easier. From the online index of Priesdorff: Schoeler, Alexander Viktor Ernst von Bd. 7,237 2268 Schoeler, August Wilhelm Karl Daniel Alexander von Bd. 6,488 2108 Schoeler, Friedrich August Alexander Felix Julius Andreas Alfred von Bd.10,313 3234 Schoeler, Friedrich Ludwig Robert Johann von Bd. 6,363 1987 Schoeler, Johann Friedrich Wilhelm von Bd. 3,62 976 Schoeler, Ludwig Johann Wilhelm August von Bd. 6,319 1940 Schoeler, Moritz Ludwig Wilhelm von Bd. 4,225 1299 Schoeler, Reinhold Otto Friedrich August von Bd. 4,197 1289 My guess is he is either from Band 7 or 10, judging from the fact he is (only) a major in 1849, but I am not sure and cannot check that. I hope one of you will help me out here. So what I am looking for is at least the date of birth an death of the von Schoeler mentioned in my data. Hope you can help me out here. many thanks!! David

I think by this time, it would be mentioned as the HG1? Because from 1876 onwards, the Grandduke of Hessen and the Rhine awarded the Houseorder as his own. Am I right there? David