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Hello saschaw, The article states that original EK II's 1870 do NOT have maker marks on the ring Regards Andreas

hello Iew, I have no problem with the existing categorization. However not everyone is an experienced knowledgeable collector - as such, I will try to stay on the safe side and only collect in regards to German imperial awards, as to what I described to be Original I and Original II, and even that isn't easy, at least for me ? Regards Andreas

Interesting thread, okay here is my point of view for German Imperial awards - maybe starting the other way around. 1. A Fake is an award that is made to deceive collectors about being an Original or Reproduction 2. A Replica is a copy of an award but openly described/admitted to as such. usually easy to identify 3 An original can/should be divided into 2 subcategories a. Original I. produced from 1914-1918 or e.g. a German China Medal 1901-1902 b. Original II. purchased privately/produced from known makers till August 1919 On August 11th 1919 the Weimar Constitution went into effect - as such no more awarding of Imperial medals. 4. Reproduction I. awards produced by known makers with original tools from August 1919 to 1932 5. Reproduction II. awards produced by known makers with original tools from 1932 - 1945 E.g. an EK1 produced in 1952 even with original tools from a known maker would be a Fake, or one could further the classifications into a 6. Reproduction III - which to me is of no collecting interest - which does not exclude the possibility of collectors - specializing/interested in such Reproduction III items. In the case of the Ottoman award produced e.g. in Germany by a known maker: Could only be categorized into being an: Orininal II. Reproduction I. Reproduction II. Since I personally wouldn't know as to differentiate an EK1 (14) from 1920 to one produced in 1940 I do not collect knowingly Reproductions I and II. Independent of the "ruling" classifications, these are my personal criteria for my collection. Regards Andreas

Hello LuckySlevin, I got no idea as to what the seller is asking for - but for me personally I wouldn't purchase it. The ribbons (aside maybe the Bavaria Service ribbon) look like from yesterday, and the MVK 2nd Class seems to be in a bad shape/condition. The bar in its medal composition is actually very common. see Photo of a bar in my collection. Regards v.Perlet

Hello Eric Stahlhut, well I guess you "hit the nail on the head" but I feel that those (we) "hunters" are a dying species. Since the internet e.g. ebay started to replace flee and collector flee-markets - the "professionals" e.g. dealers started to come in as well and set the prices. After all it's their business and livelihood. Participating initially as collectors many of those then decided to join this business - becoming professionals themselves. And the internet certainly made it possible to thoroughly sweep the local market - to national market - to the international market between 1990 - today. As such even a non-knowledgeable person can (if he wants to) find out what exactly he has and what it's worth by simply placing in on a website such as here or sending a photo to a professional. The question to me is rather - will the market remain stable for a certain period or will prices continue to rise? and if yes well just pay the so-called Market-price to who ever offers an item that I might long for. So I am still hunting for a desirable item and hopefully might make a bargain. The real problem to me is the extreme rise in fakes due to those ever increasing prices. Regards Andreas

thanks for the photos - to me everything looks okay. Regards v.Perlet

So far I don't see much of concern - but that is why i had asked you for a manufacturers name or indication regarding the tags/labels. Any better photo or closeup on the inner liner? Regards v.Perlet

Hello John, Looks to me like Magdeburgisches-Husaren-Rgt. Nr. 10 Nicknamed; Spinach with Egg Regiment - due to it's green and yellow colors. The Button No. only indicates the Esquadron, so in this case 2nd Esquadron Any readable City-name or Manufacturer on the tag? Regards v.Perlet

According to the following research - No http://www.medalnet.net/Eisernes_Kreuz_1870.htm Regards v.Perlet

There you go Litewka or kleiner Rock M15 for Leutnant im 1. Badischen Leib-Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 20 Regards v.Perlet

Despite the watermark on the paper, I am actually very surprised that there is no chop or stamp on this document - over or under Mielke's signature. Regards v.Perlet

Hello saschaw, It was in reference to an original sized EK2 1870 - which does not behold markings, as for a Miniature I wouldn't know, since I have never encountered one. - therefore I forwarded that I fully agree with Vtwin Vince comments, but regarding markings not appearing on a miniature EK2, I can only fully agree towards this comment in regards to an original sized EK2. Assuming that e.g. Godet might have made Prinzengroesse EK70' - I could well imagine that the numbers and other details would have been made as correct as possible. But anyhow you already forwarded that "This type is well-know and widely considered fake". Regards v.Perlet

Hello Chris, yes the horseshoe is irritating or confusing. That is why I initially suggested, made for a western customer e.g. Italy or by Italy On my part - I couldn't define/proof as to where it was actually made, besides taking note of the "Yi" Regards v.Perlet

hello VFMR, speaking only for myself: I wouldn't purchase it. The figures of the number 1870 are not matching to a real sized Typ A or Typ B, neither in regards to an overlapping 8, nor a flat 8. A skilled jeweler - someone like e.g. GODET "maybe" manufacturing such an item from around 1900 or rather afterwards would know about these features. I also would fully agree with VtwinVince comments, whereas the comment regarding markings would refer to original sized EK's. Regards v.Perlet

Wo liest Du da "für"? Regards V.Perlet