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Königlich Preußische Ordensliste 1905, Siebenter Nachtrag Some years ago I wrote an article about the post war awards of the Hausorden von Hohenzollern by the Ex-Kaiser. I found most of the informations about these Doorn Awards here.

Announcement in the Königlich Preußischer Staatsanzeiger for Fürstlich Reußisches Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse: 20. Juli 1903 Ehrenkreuz 4. Klasse des Fürstlich Schaumburg-Lippischen Hausordens: 3. Januar 1908 But there is always an delay between the award dates and these announcements in the Prussian periodical gazette of some weeks or sometimes some month!

May be of interest too: Komturkreuz des Hausordens von Hohenzollern 27. Januar 1928

29. Mai 1911

I am afraid not. Prussian Court and State 1918:

Sorry for missing your answer and efforts ?. I know well, how long such research could last. Indeed Kühne is shown in the Ranklist 1841 as Captain with Iron Cross 2nd class and Officers Long Service Cross. But then I checked Major a. D. Kühne in the Königlich Preußische Ordensliste 1862 and found there additionally a Red Eagle Order 4th class given to him in 1842. So unfortunately on the portrait made in Halle/S. it seems not to be him. Kind regards, Komtur.

I am quite sure that means, what I tried to make clear by a sketch.

Thanks a lot! These are interesting news. I was aware of the Coburg origin of Ferdinand, called nasa magna by the Kaiser. I just finished reading a biographie of him. There is another connection of Czar Ferdinand to a medal group I own. To this group belongs a 2nd class of the Bulgarian Order of Civil Merit. The decoration was given to Dr. Carl Paira, who was director of the hospital Lahmannsches Sanatorium near Dresden, where the second wife of Ferdinand Eleonore, born princess of Reuß zu Köstritz, stayed some weeks before she died.

I started a topic in another section, but because of the connection to German decorations I linked it to this part of the GMIC too.

On the portrait is to be seen the famous German court photographer Eduard Uhlenhuth from Coburg. As we can expect, there are some more portraits of him to be known. Fortunately his medalbar is still existing too. It was supposed, that the uniform Uhlenhuth is wearing on the picture discussed, is a Bulgarian one. But this seems to be quite odd for a German citizen. As to be seen on the photograph with the group of persons in the forrest, on the other hand Uhlenhuth (3rd from left) was pretty familiar with the Bulgarian king Ferdinand (2nd form left), who spent his evening of life in Coburg. Can someone tell me, what kind of uniform of what rank is Uhlenhut wearing? If it is a Bulgarian one, what could be the reason for it? Thanks in advance and regards, Komtur.

Prussian White.

Another portrait obviously from the same session. May be this ist of some help ...

I used this picture in an article about the exile awards of the Hausorden von Hohenzollern. As I remember, Daniel supposed, it could be Louis Müldner von Mülnheim. Indeed Müldner got an wartime knight with swords and is on my Hausorden exile list for an Komturkreuz. Unfortunately I do not remember, where the picture came from, possibly from Daniel.

One is the star to the Grand Cross, the other one for the 1st Class. Regards, Komtur.

Hello Reinhard, thank you for showing this very attractive collection of British orders! I am generating a register of the Royal Victorian Order numbers with the corresponding names of the recipient. Would you be so kind and give me the numbers an names of the decorations with belonging papers you show, to add them to this register? Thanks in advance, Komtur.

Yes.

There exist some lists of persons, who got decorations for this war, sorted by units in the archive Geheimes Staatsarchiv Preußischer Kulturbesitz. But I do not know, if these are conserved completely for all decorations and all units over the years.

I don´t believe, that a "938" silver mark ist to be found on that cross. In this case the "W" would be stamped too. After October 1916 the returned golden decorations or parts of it were reworked and awarded again. As most returned orders were without swords and in war time most of the awarded with them, you find sometimes this combination of golden crosses with silvered swords. Because of the hollow construction of the golden decorations a stamped mark "W" was not usable, therefore you will find on them always a scratched "W". Here such an example of a Crown Order 2nd class with silvered swords, the golden cross also marked only "W" scratched in the same way, as the Red Eagle shown above:

This portrait is very interesting indeed. Emperor Franz Joseph I. seems to wear to his uniform of a Prussian general only his Prussian Orders. These are the Black Eagle and the Royal Housorder Großkomtur. With the Order of the Black Eagle was since 1810 always going the 1st class of the Red Eagle Order and after creation of the Grand Cross in 1861 this highest class of the Red Eagle Order. These had to be worn for a knight of the Black Eagle Order always as neck decorations. Even if this picture was defenitely made after 1861, the Austrian emperor is there wearing his in 1844 awarded Black Eagle Order sash, star and the to this decoration belonging 1st class of the Red Eagle Order around the neck.

11. United Kingdom Jubilee medal 1897

Sorry, for missing this. To be true, its the most probable decoration! There were 63 awarded for the war in Südwestafrika, most of them in 1907. These medals were given to low ranking military officials.

We can not be sure, what decoration is hidden behind the first ribbon. A Prussian order on a white ribbon with black stripes is possible, but very scarce. I could only find 17 Crown Order 4th class and 14 Red Eagle Order 4th class on this very special ribbon for the war in Deutsch-Südwestafrika. These decorations were awarded to civil officials (e.g. postofficals), as to be seen for example for the Crown Order 4th class and the year 1906. Even if the previous described combination is very likely, an Iron Cross 1914 on a white ribbon is not impossible.

I have to admit, the discussion regarding the devices on Austrian ribbon bars is to sophisticated for my basic knowledge in this field. So I am not sure, if the group of Dr. Rudolf Mosaner could be of some help

With no WWI decoration at all, it must be a prewar picture of Plettenberg.

This was indeed an interesting diskussion about the special cross the Saxon king is wearing on this portrait. But I am quite sure, the answer for the initial question is another one. For officers in some types of the uniform (e.g. field uniforms) it was not allowed or unusual, to wear a sash with it. Therefore for Generals from the rank of Generaloberst upward or royalty in military uniforms of that kind there was no possibility, to wear something around the neck. Undoubtedly because of this painful situation for this group of people it was officially allowed according to the Offiziersbekleidungsvorschrift, to wear grand crosses or 1st classes around the neck. Usualy the last awarded decoration was elected for wearing that way. Here are some examples: GdK Freiherr von Bissing: Crown Order 1st class with swords on the ring GdI Ludendorff: Red Eagle Order 1st class with swords GdI von Plettenberg: Crown Order 1st class Generalarzt der Armee von Schjerning: Crown Order 1st class