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C. Zeige auctioned another group of ribbon bars lately, one of them seems to be a little odd that the 3rd Reich KVK is placed after the Hindy cross, and no long service medals, does it make any sense?

The star is really nice. The bar is out of order

Guys I really want to show you this Saxon-Weimar lifesaving medal, it's a real beauty.

Thank you Andreas Hauptmann Leo von Gillhaußen was killed on the 6th of November 1918. Here I found a photo of the Gillhaußen brothers from gottmituns.net, Leo and his wife are on the left.

Can anyone help to id this bar? I've been told the owner was a long time adjutant of a German prince, never figured out the name though. reverse

Could this be Harry Gondi's ribbon bar? Found this photo showing Gondi wearing a long ribbon bar, also a TWM and a Silesian Eagle 1st class.

Yes I can only agree with that. Thanks for the comments guys

Greetings everyone! I recently came across this bar and thought that I have seen it's full size brother before, can't remember when and where. Does it ring an bell to you? Is this bar identifiable? If I'm not mistaken the bar consists of following: - EKII - Saxon Albert Order 2nd class with sword - Oldenburg Friedrich August cross - Anhalt House Order of Albert the Bear 2nd class with sword - Austrian Military Merit Cross 3rd Class

Here is the scan from O‘Connor's book. Do you think it's the same person?

He must be one of the 10 airmen who received the member cross of Hohenzollern house order with swords during WWI. Comparing the photo of Julius Tillmans in Neal O'Connor's aviation awards book vol.2, it seems to have some good match of facial character to our guy here. What do you think?

Got this one recently.

It's possible but I doubt so. The reason is there isn't many award could be placed before his HoH3 on lifesaving ribbon according to war time rule, I can think of a EKII but nothing else really. He probably have another full decoration bar with all his awards including EKII, and Turkish gold and silver merit medals. His EK1 was awarded in 1915 for his participation in the Balkan wars. By the way he did receive the HOH3 on lifesaving ribbon in the middle of WW1. It was gazetted in the Prussian State Gazette (Deutscher Reichs- und Königlich Preußischer Staatsanzeiger). The HOH3 makes me believe this bar might be his interwar bar that intended to show his glorious lifesaving experience solely. And he probably started showing off his lifesaving award already in WWI. I was lucky enough seeing a photo album of officer corps of Ulanen Reg14. The album contains photo of several Ulanen 14 officers including Georg Veit and his son Otto Veit, I was curious to see both the father and son served in the same unit. There are three photos of Georg Veit, one in civillian dress together with his son, and two photos with him in uniform and I could see he was wearing a light colour ribbon through button hole which might be for his Prussian lifesaving medal, his son Otto wears an EKII ribbon by the way. Father and son... From left, Lt. Veit, Oberst Veit (wear his lifesaving medal through button hole)... Veit (second from right) wear his lifesaving ribbon through button hole. His son Otto Veit... Another press photo showing him wearing his EKII ribbon and another black and white ribbon, could it be for his HOH3(on black and white ribbon)?

Stafen thank you so much for sharing this important information! I have received another piece of information about our guy here. Thanks to Daniel ! This article describes for what he got the Red Eagle 3. Saving a Lady at the Bosporus - and got the Romanian Star Commander with swords for the Balkan wars and the Turkish Gold and Silver Medals.

The swords are screwed in, not gold but silver or brass gild I think.

Yes it looks different from common Saxon trifold style, the medals are mounted by clip-on hooks.

Hi Andreas, I have no idea right now, will be able to answer that in couple weeks. What's your best guess?

Here is the Major Leopold Gottschalch's big medal bar, one of the best Saxony bars that I have seen. Leopold had HOH3X but for some reason not mounted on this bar, any idea? Some information I have gethered about our guy: Born 22th June 1870 in Dresden, became Royal Saxon Major on 11th July 1913 and commander of the I./ 1. Fußartillerie-Regiment Nr. 12. With the outbreak of WW1 he had RAO4 and Albrechts order Knight 1st class with the crown and got the swords to this award on 10th February 1915. Gottschalch received the HOH3x on May 5, 1917, and Knights Cross of the Military Order of St. Henry on 14th April 1918 as Commander of the Reserve-Fußartillerie-Regiment 12. Anyone got a photo of him or more information?

Gentlemen, may I have your opinion about this Red Eagle order with crown and swords? It looks different from Wagner made RAO4 that I have, and I couldn't really find any match on Andreas Schulze's web page of Red Eagle order designs, is it another known variant?

Anyone have a volume 5 to part?

This is one special cross, nice.

Welcome to the club

By the way the ones with name and unit number I have not done much research, if anyone have any clue about the recipients please help to share. Thanks in advance.

Having said that, I should have shown something now. Skip if you have seen these and don't want to look again.

That I can't agree more. For the ones that are not up to high standard I will leave them to other experts to solve since my gut has grown too big and my wallet has became too small I see my part of the responsibility (if any) as a collector in this area under current circumstances, is to hold the bar and keep reminding people how good the imperial standard quality could be, no matter they're interested or not.

My friend, you just made an old man very sad. Just kidding. Well that’s one way but not a positive one I have to say. All you need to do is don’t panic. There’re always better fakes in this business, and there’re always new tricks to detect them.