Ed_Haynes

The broken group (Winifred, Lady Hardinge of Penshurst, C.I., K.i.H.) that lives with me, misisng its Shefkat (among others). http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2400&st=3

Bob: Shall do so, when I get back from my travels in early August. Will post many other things too. Moderators: While we have a fascinating thread here, with many lovely things, should it not be moved to the World or even Other Axis sub-forum. Manchuquo has nothing to do with Mongolia (Outer or Inner). OK, they both start with an "M".

Nice, nice items, well displayed!

I can imagine it being made in the DDR after 1945 for some Friendly Eastern Neighbor serving on occupation duty protecting the DDR. Maybe someone just didn't like screwback awards making holes in their pretty uniform? I cannot see the "German intelligence" argument as anything more than an eBay seller's fantastic lie. If German troops working behind Soviet lines wore such fake orders, awards that would scream out "Nazi", then I can understand even more so why Germany lost the war. If this was intended to fool the collecting market (assuming they didn't swallow the "German intelligence" rubbish), I can't imagine anyone except a Third Reich collector, straying into Soviet awards with total ignorance, being fooled.

Personally, I value your opinion. Yet to just say "they are fakes" -- implicitly just because you say so -- leaves the discussion incomplete. Why do you think they are fakes? Just this bold and unsupported statement means little. This leads into the phoney expert "it is a fake because I say so" self-important attitude that poisons so many online fora.

It is just that, from my research here in India, I have been struck by the constant and ongoing stream of requests for replacement medals. Replacement medals for the 1857 "Mutiny" (and even for earlier campaigns) were being requested as late as the 1930s. They were a real nuisance to the government and one reason they eventually decided to "lose" the medal rolls. I can't imagine that Indians lost their medals at a higher rate than anyone else . . . ?? And, by the way, it is Mr. Holmes and Dr. Watson. Cheers

OK, let me try to figure this out: We have here a clearly and obviously renumbered Polar Star. I can't imagine that it was seriously done to defraud anyone. (But, then, some of the messed-with orders books we've seen would fool nobody either.) Theory: A replacement award by the central bank. Comrade Bold loses his Polar Star and asks for a replacement. Rather than dig out an unnumbered specimen (or had they all come already numbered, thanks to the Friendly Northern Neighbor? I suspect so), you can just remove a number from a badge already in stock and add the number for Comrade Bold's lost badge. Bold is happy, the central bank strikes a number off the rolls as a renumbered replacement award, and confusion for collectors a few decades later is set in motion. How is that for a guess? Just my two (thousand) tugriks worth . . .

A bad and clumsy fake? Better than a good and artistic fake?

I think the technical term here is "fake"?

Thanks for posting this, Ron. Much food for thought here.

As would we all! Put us all on the list.

A really classy and intelligent thread. Thanks, "gentlemen".

See also: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9700

See also the old thread on ribbon bars: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6241

Guess I need to find a good way to weigh my badges too . . . ??? My often-tolerant wife balks at being asked to take too many "snouts" to weigh on her super-sensitive biological research scale. But this is close to being

A nice memorial to Hiranjan Singh. The only one he has. The naik would be proud.

All you need to do is squint (with a magnifying lens?) at the numbering. See if it cuts into brass/bronze or silver the internal composition is made clear.

My point precisely!

Beauties. Coming in a "friendly neighborhood auction"? Need to "restore" one (and - - a Crown of India) in a broken group (thanks, Nimrod).

Looks "fixed" to me. There are worse fixed awards on these threads. much as one might "fix" their dog? When the central device fails and fall off, have the local "craftsman" (term used loosely?) repair?

Nice to see that one again, Jan!

Lovely eye-candy! Many thanks!!

Nice, thanks for posting. Assume these are both with Mongolian (rather than Cyrillic) legend on obverse. So far as I know, differences in rivet size do exist and are likely no more than variable manufacturing. With two serial numbers so far apart (the recorded range for this Type 2.1 is 57 to 2831), I'd not be surprised to see such variation. Thanks again for posting!

No not any known Syrian. I'd suggest Sudan, but we know sooooo little about Sudanese ODM. Let me squint at the scan for a bit.

Fascinating. And something to ponder. I am, however, uncertain how far down the road of varieties and sub-varieties to go, unless we can get discrete serial number (and date?) blocks. (These are some way off for now.) When do types and varieties give way to simple variation in the manufacturing and numbering process? What is real is what is "noise"? When does this process become pedantic and anal-compulsive? Obviously we don't know yet. But some day we may build enough examples on this forum to allow us to decide where these lines fall. As I said, much to ponder, Jan! Thanks for making life difficult. I love it. I really do!