Ed_Haynes

Good point, Graham. We need to remember that these cards were filled out when the medals were issued, and not at the time the service was rendered. And this could be many years later, long after various regimental reorganizations took place. These changes can also be reflected in medal naming, as it ofter reflects the situation when the medals were issued rather than when the service happened. The variance in pre-1922 and post-1922 regimental names (and service numbers) on things like the GSM or IGS08 is a source of great "entertainment" for Indian Army collectors.

Actually, these abused things will be of interest to ribbon collectors. While the damage has been done, there will still be something of interest and of value. Though please keep them away from e$cam.

Any ANY Nevsky -- like ANY Glory -- will repay research, though rarely as nicely as this one. Lovely.

This is so sad and so historically criminal. And people buy this stuff.

Thanks for this, Guy! Wish I could see it.

No, so far as I know both The 1939-45 War Medal and the Nut al-Nasir 1945 / Victory Medal, 1945 were only for the late-war Iraqi Army that supported the British. The Nut Harkat Mais 1941 / Medal for the May 1941 Revolt was for those who didn't support the British (nationalists, not pro-Axis). I have never found much documentation on how the Nut Himayat al-Atfal fi al-Iraq, 1941 / Medal for Children's Wefare in Iraq, 1941 fir into Iraq's WWII phaleristc constellation.

The 1939-45 Star, the Defence Medal (maybe), and the War Medal. NOT the Africa Star.

This is in danger of straying off topic, gentlemen. Please.

Rick had suggested in his original post that the card had something to do with the 68th Punjabis (which regiment, by the way, mutinied at Bareilly on 31 May 1857, and was not re-raised). It was unusual, but a few NCOs may on occasion have been attached to Indian infantry regiments by the end of the 19th century, most commonly in a training or educational role (teaching English, for example). Most tasks, Indian personnel could perform quite well for themselves. Attachments to what artillery that was allowed to exist in the Indian army was more common, as such technical knowledge was denied to Indians after 1857. I have never seen enlisted personnel so attached in any regiment. My guess is that this information on the MIC (and these are usually muddy enough to begin with, even when presented large enough to read) is simply a reference to the voume, page, and line in the original rolls where the award of his medal is given. The reverses, uncopied, have details on where the medal was sent. I think parts of these original rolls are now at the NA and it may be worth checking it, but if all you have is his hat and not his medal(s), it probably won't be worth the effort unless you are already at Kew for some other reason. (I am, by the way not "anti-British"; I am merely anti-imperialist and opposed to many of the ideas that came along with that system.)

Yes, Rick, that might be what it is, from the teeny-tiny scan of the card, as opposed to the GIGANTIC hat-scan . Although, as an apparent private, his attachment to an Indian Army regiment seems very very (even incredibly) odd indeed. Indian army regiments had no use for European enlisted personnel (not to mention others...). With a legible scan of the MIC some useful information might be available.

Oh . . . . . . . . . very nice!!!!

Enzo - Would ribbon bars on the pocket flap be normal?

However, you yourself have said ". . . there is a Medal for Military Merit award book for a medal in the 3 million range." As the medal with this "group" is unnumbered, this seems clearly to indicate that there has been some "restoration" (to use a very delicate word).

Quite frankly, Marc, I would hope people agree with you. Mongolian awards are trash. STAY AWAY!!

A very nice one! Doc will exude envy.

The two letters on the lower star points seem to be (right-to-left, of course) "J" and "D". I can't recall if Owain treated this in his JOMSA article. I am at work and the journals are at home. Given where this is placed, Owain probably won't see the post. (If it were moved to Middle East, he would, hint, hint . . . .)

FASCINATING! Yes, Palestine. Need to check Owain's fine article on Palestinian ODM. Lovely lovely lovely.

I'm sure you don't, Prosper. I'm sure you don't. Quite sure. And quite unsurpirsed. Based on your boundless expertise, tell me what in the world a minor theft from the US Air Force Museum has to do with a theft of major items in New Zealand? This important thread has been so far perverted that it is almost worth no longer caring about it? A shame, a shame.

Interesting, maybe, but WAAAYYYYY The basic point about museums still stands, I think, internationally?

True "s1c". In some ways true. Just as I extract joy from lots 2183 - $30,000 - see: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2577 and 2197 - $26,000 - see: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2548 Still, the possibility of further purchases is cloudy.

Thanks for this, William! "Thanks"?

The 10 Jan 2008 sale produced some interesting Mongolian results: 2246 $3,250 2247 $2,000 2248 $280 2249 $350 2250 $4,250 2251 - 2252 - 2253 $400 2254 - 2255 - 2256 - 2257 - 2258 - 2259 - 2260 - 2261 - 2262 $75 2263 - 2264 - 2265 - 2266 - 2267 $40 2268 - 2269 - 2270 $450 2271 $425 2272 $500 2362 - 2363 - 2364 $150 2365 - 2366 - Almost makes me wish I'd bid! The Tuvan pieces, however (honorary Mongolians?) went high, $35,000 (2200) and $37,500 (2201).

$11,000

Thanks. Ouch. Though, somewhat strangely, many of the Mongolian lots went unsold? No Russian interest in these?

$20,000 Ouch!