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And 2: Awarded to Ihig Sharavdagva. And the circumstances were "for active participation in the action of sending gifts to the Red Army, the Order of Polar Star is awarded." Nice!!

OK, I have been able to get some information on these two documents. And very interesting they are! 1- (shown below) Recipient is Delger Yadamsuren. The award section reads "for the defense efforts of the country and for the brave fight in the battle of Khalhin Gol in year 28 (1939), the Order of Polar Star is awarded."

Right-oh, Doc. The "other side" of Kalkhin Gol.

Thanks. That is what I had THOUGHT, but . . . ??

Those ribbons are LOVELY! Envy. Let me get up a translation (working from memory, without references): Post 51: 1- Order of Two Rivers; Royal GSM; ??? (Air Force Gallantry?? ); WWII War Medal 2- WWII Victory; Rescue Medal; JORDAN Order of Renaissance; JORDAN Order of the Star 3- JORDAN Order of Independence (?); ???; SYRIA Order of Civil Merit; ??? 4- ???; ???; UNITED KINGDOM WWII Victory; UNITED KINGDOM Elizabeth II Coronation Need to think more on this lovely one. Post 53: Is upside-down. Stand on your head. 1- Gallantry Medal; Republic GSM; Palestine War '48 2- 1958 Revolution; Northern Rebellion; Revolution Ramadan 1963; Revolution 1968 Post 54: Also upside-down. Royal GSM; WWII War; WWII Victory; Coronation 1953 Post 55: Northern Rebellion; Revolution Ramadan 1963; Revolution November 1963 NICE ones!

OK, I am confused. I may be stupid. (My wife has an opinion here.) Which is this? Just in, cased.

Thanks!

Sorry. I do not wish my materials stolen. Thanks. That is why I include a copyright notice.

OK. The prevailing consensus is now that these are good.

Please do not. You may, of course, invite others to come here to see his medals. Thanks.

This should be moved to Southeast Asia (I no longer have that power).

Bob, do you want to see, specifically, USAF's, or any reverse of this type?

But if he isn't in the Indian Army List, he doesn't REALLY exist. Let me check. As I have scant collecting/research interest in medals to natives (of the British Isles), I'm not 100% sure. Though I think he would likely have been "India-domiciled" and simply was allowed in as an emergency commission to fill out depleted officer ranks. But he would have been British, not Anglo-India (or, in the 19th-century phrase "Eurasian").

Finally . . . . Lieutenant Charles Winton, IARO, commissioned 8 August 1917, promoted to lieutenant 8 August 1918 (IAL Jan 1919 p. 540 sl. 85). At least he existed.

OK, found him: LG 31 Jan 1919, # 31158, p. 105 http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= "2nd Lt. Charles Winton, I.A.R.O., attd. 1st Q.V.O. Corps of Guides, Infy., I.A. (EGYPT) "For conspicuous gallantry and good leadership north of Arsup on 13th July, 1918. He was in command of a daylight raid on two enemy strong points, and it was mainly due to his coolness and leadership that the whole affair was carried out so successfully. He personally killed two enemy with the bayonet." And this'd be too late to be shown as a MC in the Jan 1919 IAL. Still strange he's not in that list. Yet he was just "attached" and not regimental, may have left by then. IAROs were throw-aways. I may have have to go line-by-line through some 100 pages of 9-point text to try to find him . . . .

As Alice said, "curiouser and curiouser". There is no "Dhan Jit" with a Guides IDSM before reorganization in 1922 (Chhina, p. 83). In fact, that seems a pretty garbled and incomplete name. There is a "Daljit Gurung) IDSM for the 2/5th GR in Mesopotamia (Chhina p. 158) but no other Gorkha or Garhwali IDSMs that are any closer to that name. There is no "Winton" shown with the 5th GR in the Jan 1919 IAL (pp. 1617-22).

The January 1919 Indian Army List is the starting point here, but it is rendered harder to use due to the fact that the folks who reprinted it blundered and neglected to reprint the last pages of the index. Guess where "Winton" falls. In packing, unpacking, and reshelving my xeroxed insert seems to have fallen out (though not many Indians show in that alphabet range, and that's mostly what I seek). He is not shown either serving with or attached to any of the three battalions of Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides (Frontier Force) (Lumsden's) (pp. 964-770-1). The Guides did have an infantry half-company of Gorkhas (which I had forgotten about -- poor little Gorkhas), so some of this story might ring true. He is not shown as in possesion of a MC (p. 1943). When was it gazetted? He does not readily pop up in the online London Gazette of legendry crankiness. He does not show with any War Services. No surpsise, as this covers pre-war service mainly. If any of these had provided any information, there'd be some hope of finding him in the long sections listing British officers by rank, but as they are not arranged alphabetically but by date of commission/rank. The Guides (Infantry -- after 1922 the 5/12th Frontier Force Regiment) did serve in India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Palestine diuring WWI and one company went to France in 1914, attached to 57th Wilde's Rifles. (Gaylor, p. 171). I don't think I have any wartime IALs (they are incredibly hard and expensive to find), but they are pretty spotty, with Jan 1919 being the benchmark. I can check them this summer in Delhi. Sorry there's not better news and more puzzles than answers. Shall keep digging and looking.

If he is serving with Gorkhas, he was clearly on detachment from the Guides. Now that (most of) my reference books are unpacked and back on the shelves, let me have a look-see.

Thanks, Jeff!

Interesting. A lot of these pre-Liberation Cuban groups seem to have come to the market all of a sudden. Could they all have been hiding under a rock, or in a collection, somewhere?

Maybe if you said where you got them it would be OK? Not sure. Would like to see them, though.

I would be very very careful with such glib statements and such sources. There is such rampant intentional "disinformation" being dispersed about regarding Islam (whether Sunni of Shi'i or any other kind).

I just recall seeing them Way Back When with numbers scratched out (to foil the KGB chaps who came with their magnifying glasses to OMSA conventions the same way the FBI does today) and at OBSCENE prices, worse than the very worst you see today. Their sex appeal and political attraction was outweighed by their pricetag for a university student. I pity those who bought Soviet ODM in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. That's one youthful desire I can now fulfill!

OK, the information I have mentions a collar to the Wisam al-Rafidain/Order of the Two Rivers, established by Law No. 1 of 1968, and essentially a presidential chain of office. Somewhere, I have an image of Saddam Hussein wearing something that looked similar, but this is the best image of the mysterious collar I have ever seen. Presumably, President Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr would have worn this chain during his time as president, 1968-79, and it would have been worn by his successor, Saddam Hussein, 1979-2003. If it still survives, it may just pop up on eBay any day now?

Lovely image, Dragomir! Thanks. Somewhere I can an identification on this. Off to dig in research notes.