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83 years is quite a correct age (if there could be aynone), and it is even a nice "statistic" if you compare to average russian population... and a lot of soviet elite died earlier, between 65-75 years (look at Chernenko, Brejnev, Joukov or ...Eltsin!). what have been the sanctions pronounced against him for supporting the 1991 coup?

hello Bifter! seeing pcitures of your orders would be a nice thing!

I'm sorry, I forgot to post the reverse. I bought it from russian dealers; I haven't been seeing of of them for many years in Paris! I'm not convinced they knew what they were selling. They had a vast majority of fakes, and more russian decos than soviet ones. This badge is made of aluminium, but the suspension is made of an heavy alloy; it looks very close to another pic I found on the "other" forum.

hello gentlemen, what do you think of this piece picked up this afternoon in Paris?

hello Anatoly. The first type doesn't seem to be mint-marked... Am I right?

well, it looks like a metal alloy heavier than aluminium can used elsewhere. I love the suspension device; everything looks authentic; I'd jump on such a piece in a militaria fair!

hello! thanks a lot for this picture... this order looks like it was made of brass, and not aluminium as for most vietnamese orders. Am I right?

hello gentlemen, what would be the average price for a soviet-made version?

thanks a lot for all these detailled facts. A friend of mine found it in Paris, while looking for communist periode awards (suc as National Flag order). I don't believe he'll keep it ; I suppose he'll be happy to sell or trade it.

so a non-communist award? Can we consider it as a rare piece?

hello gentlemen, my documentation is too poor to help me identify this order... thanks fotr yours lights!

so we would have at the date of the photo: Leningrad defense - leningrad 250 years foundation - 30 years of soviet forces - 40 years ofd soviet forces and a 3rd class of irreprochable service.

hello Rick, I was wondering about the 250 years of Leningrad too... but wasn'it in the LAST position in theory? Or what was its position following 1950ies regulations?

hello, I've a proposition: first, on the right is a brevet for long service in the soviet navy. On the left the first ribon could be a campaign medal. 3rd, 4th and 5th could be 30 years, 40 years of soviet army and an irreprochable service 3rd class. I haven't the slightest idea about the 2nd ribon...

Stalin proposed a vulgate from the marxist-leninist doctrina... I believe Lenin was the first to engage marxism in a successfull revolutionnary practice, as many researchers outlined his opportunism to create a revolution in the least developped counrtry of europe, Russia.

not really, because we're trying to gather state orders dedicated to first leaders. Engels has its prize, which is a specific category in the german award system... And Engels is forever second after Marx, so...

Ed is right, otherwise we'll get lost in the jungle of "prizes" of all kinds...

I'm not sure it is an offical awward...

hello, Friedrich Engels has his dedicated Prize, for military works; an award declined in 3 classes. E.Th?lmann didn't have his medal but only badges for FDJ organisation. We see Thalmann face on the "Fighter against fascism" state medal.

the letters "MPC" indicating Minister for Railroad on se screwplate seems original...

Poland didn't follow this tradition too; their supreme order was the "Builders of People's Poland". Same thing about Romania: Tudor Vladimirescu was a national hero in the fighting against Ottoman power, but the dedicated order was not the most important of the romanian system. Maybe the Star of Romania was this supreme order, but I'm not sure at all. Albania used a national hero, non-communist, for his Skanderberg order. We forgot about Cuba: the supreme order was the order of Jose Marti, another national hero for independance.

I believe they're made of aluminiumand covered with a thick translucid enamel paint.

please add the order of Klement Gotwald for former CSSR...

hello gentlemen, here's a scan of the first page of a booklet for a distinguished labor medal, awarded in 1977. I need your experience because I can't find the nationality of the recipient's name; the only thing I'm almost certain he was not russian. Thanks by advance!

Must I assume I didn't start a gentlemen discussion while speaking of "finition"? I don't know how to interprate your last sentence... I believe there's a problem of vocabulary from my part, as I'm not english-born. I should have used the word "finsih"; this is my mistake. About "enamel finish" and "enamel default" I am speaking of possible cases of enamel slightly flushing over the rims or medal sculptures. In specific countries and specific periods, such a detail would invalidate a medal (soviet orders are in general perfectly finished), in others it is a normal detail and default are even a part of authenticity (Bulgaria for example). To all: thanks for yours inputs. 80' hungarian orders are not as perfect as those of the previous years. About Croma, I can only be happy to have found a reliable dealer, attested as so by many collectors.