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Very nice pictures on your website! I bought my set -to my own surprise- from a very small antiques dealer in my hometown...unusual. Many years ago, however, there was another antiques dealer in the city who specialized in Asian art, who eventually imported it - certainly without knowing what it really is... The one box you show on your page is labeled "emperor's cup", the second is unlabeled. Is there a scheme? Second question: I have a dark blue ribbon medal in my collection but it is not engraved. What does that mean? Thanks Matthias
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I don't think that was even shown in the Japan section. A complete saki set with paulonia crest. I stumbled across that a few years ago and although I haven't been collecting japan for a long time, I couldn't help myself in this case... Regards Matthias First the box: ...and now the rest.... ...more... ...the cups... ...the paulonia crest in a closeup... ...only the stand... ...and some more stand - pics... ...and in "transport - form"...
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Thailand The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand
kunsho replied to dedehansen's topic in South East & East Asia
I would like to „resurrect“ this interesting thread... first (we are all a bit visual) some pictures. Here comes the Thai Crown Order of Georg von Heimburg (1913 - 1916 commander of the 2. Schlesisches Feld Artillerie Regiment 42 as Oberstleutnant, later various functions and at last 1918 as Generalleutnant commander of the 94. Infanterie Division). Unfortunately I have no picture of him, found nothing in the www and I do not have the regimental history of the FAR 42 (surely there is one)… The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand was awarded to him in 1913 and it is the 2nd model. Regards Matthias If I go into the book "Royal Thai Order and Decorations", third edition 2003, under the chapter „Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand“ then unfortunately I can't read anything because the complete text is in Thai. But I can translate the data in front of each text block and partially interpret the underlying images. Accordingly, changes must have taken place in the following years: 1871 (probably foundation), i.e. the first model, 1873 probably a somewhat differentiated classification and probably also a transition to the 2nd model. In 1891, instead of the officer's cross that had previously belonged to the grand officer's set, a neck cross was introduced for the grand officer's set. Something more comprehensive probably happened in 1893, as there is a lot of (Thai) text here, but I can't draw any conclusions here. In 1902 the gold and silver medals affiliated with the order were introduced. Then something also happened in 1911. Later in 1918, according to the accompanying pictures, the special class of the order was introduced (which has retained its original form to this day). There is also an entry for the year 1923, but I cannot interpret it. The last entry now concerns the year 1941. The first mentioned here is the classification 1 - 8. It looks as if the affiliate medals have only officially belonged to the order since 1941. Unfortunately, I cannot guess when the change from the 2nd model to the 3rd model (which has remained unchanged to this day) took place. For this I am as far as before….based on the pictures shown in this thread, however, I agree with Nick's opinion that the model change took place before 1941. Who knows exactly? You've had a few years to find out now 😉 And to loosen up the topic a few more pictures.... ...and more.... ...and one more set.... Here is a third model with the (at least for me) unusual hallmark "L". Can someone from the more specialized colleagues say something about this? Thank you in advance Matthias -
Nice to find some pictures from my collection ;-) Regards, Matthias
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If you are interested I have a closeup of Eugen Baitinger, with a textbook Sturmgrenadier uniform. I have a second group from the same Wuerttemberg Unit (2. / Sturm - Btl. 15), Uffz. Georg Brenner, same as the Christian Binder group with Soldbuch, Wehrpass, pictures and a couple of other documents (and medals). The above shown printed form in the Wehrpass by the Sturmbataillon 15 is the same you can find in Brenners Wehrpass. Georg Brenner earned his golden bravery medal for the capture of some Americans in Summer 1918 in the Vosges. Unfortunately I have never seen an award document for an Iron Cross from this Unit (the award of the Wuerttemberg bravery medal was noted in Soldbuch, Wehrpass and certainly in the Stammrolle only, as you know). Matthias
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...and here is another one, from Sturmbataillon 15: Christian Binder, 2. (wuertt.) / bayr. Sturm - Btl. 15, winner of the Wuerttemberg gMVM for the raid at the Tête du Violu (Violenkopf) with the codename "Entwaesserung" under the command of Lt. d. R. August Hauser, 09. March 1918. Later in June, while another raid with the codename "Jagd" he was wounded by handgranade splinters (and received the wound badge). The operation "Entwaesserung" was supported by the assault troops of Landwehr Regiment 30 (you show some pictures of them in another thread). In the below shown picture of a group of the 2. company (consists of staff from Wuerttemberg only) of the Sturmbataillon 15, I can also identify the Uffz. Eugen Baitinger from Stuttgart, he received the gMVM of Wuerttemberg in September 1918. (I have posted this photo approx. two years ago, but obviously nobody was interested in) Regards, Matthias
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"hooray!" ...I forgot to say...
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...and now, two years later, Cpl. Walter Herbert gets a face: The one in the middle (with the beer in his hand) is Walter Herbert.
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Hi Christophe, you misunderstood me, there is no doubt about the ribbons whether it is Schwarzburg, Reuss or not. That Friedrich Sonntag had earned the above mentioned medals is (in my opinion) a clear point. And I am not affirmatif about the name because the group is direkt from his family (and I do not belief that he changed the surname nor is the family so large that the medals can be from another ancestor). Meanwhile I have found a Lt. Sonntag in 10. / IR 96. The second bataillon of IR 96 was the joint contingent of the Principality of Reuss older and younger line and was stationed in Gera, the birthplace of Friedrich Sonntag. The third bataillon was the joint contingent of Principality Schwarzburg Rudolstadt and Sondershausen. In cause of these special medal combination this unit was my first suspicion. According the regimental history "Sturmflut", from Arnold Bölsche, a Lt. Sonntag was from end of 1915 until begin of 1917 platoon- and company leader of the 10th company. I think this is the Sonntag I am looking for...BUT unfortunately there remains anyhow a litte doubt, because he is not mentioned in Dave's Reuss roll (Dave: is your Roll surely the accumulated Roll from both Reuss lines? ) and in the regimental history is no first name mentioned... Does somebody know if the Thuringian archive do have any Thuringian officier files from WW 1, or a Kriegsrangliste " war rank list" of the Thuringian regiments or were they only stored in the (burned down) prussian war archive? In this case we have really a "eldorado" in our Wuerttemberg archive. Best regards, Matthias Christophe, could you be so kind and show us your mentioned photo with the same combo? Is the inscription on the back maybe "Lt. Sonntag vom IR 96" that will help me a lot :D
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Dave, I get the ribbon bar, the accompanying medal bar and his name directly from the family....unfortunately no papers have survived only a personal photo from the sixties (certainly without wearing any decorations). Hmmm...so my suspicion (in fact of the combination of the Schwarzburg and the Reuss cross) the he was a member of IR 96 is not so solid...so I need next the regimental history of the RIR 82...but in my opinion he was too young for a Lt. d. L. ... Thanks for your help Dave! Matthias