Solomon

The same sources, my dear friend Rick uses Additionally, I´m living about 30 km away from Detmold and its archive and I digitalized the 1897-medal-awardlist for Rick. So I quite know, what I´m talking about... Best regards Roman

I found one person, who could match to this medalbar (Sergeant IR 55 / 10th comp.). My lists confirm all awards on that medalbar, but he got later (in 1905) two additional awards from Lippe-Detmold, which are not at the medalbar. Either this is his medalbar before 1905 or I have to search for another person. Please give me some additional time to re-check everything. Best regards Roman

Who is calling me???? Of course, Lammers got the Lippe-Detmold house-order 2nd class AFTER 1918...and Mr. Nimmergut had a wrong information. Lippe-Detmold spent its award (especially the house-order) until 1933, mostly awarded by familiy members of the prince or early supporters of the nationalsocialsts! The actual prince of Lippe-Detmold has in his private archive an extra awardlist for those late awards. Attached I´m showing you such a late award (to a member of the prince´s family). Best regards Roman

The Lippe-award is the only "real" civil award on the medalbar. Due to this, it is mounted at the correct position. By the way the owner should have been a Sergeant in the I.R. No.55 (10th comp.) Best regards Roman

:shame: A nice Lippe-medalbar, which is NOT in my collection???? Indeed a ver nice medalbar...congratulations! BUT.... At the last position is a wrong medal mounted. In my opinion the ribbon belongs to a 1897-medal of Lippe Detmold "Erinnungsmedaille an den Einzug des Grafregenten Ernst". According to the other awards on the medalbar this 1897-medal is the most possible one, too. Best regards Roman

...and some minis :rolleyes:

...my contribution to this nice theme...

Nice project! Attached I?m showing a copy of the original signed receipt for the cross for heroic deeds lippe-Detmold. Manfred v. Richthofen listed his awards (until 23 October 1917). Best regards Roman

One copy here... The statistic figures of the Lippe awards would be quite interesting to have...andcombining it with the names of the Lippe rolls makes everything perfect Best regards Roman

It is not easy, really! I?m wondering, that there is no long-service medal on that ribbon bar. The former owner was from Lippe-Detmold and was an active fighter during the WW1. (Otherwise at least the LC-ribbon should have been the white NC-ribbon). According to these facts, it must be the House-Order 4th class with swords Div. A. And he was surely a younger guy. There are several entries in the rolls, for which it isn?t clear, if these persons really got the award with swords. Best regards Solomon

I would prefer to say "forced by their professions to be a virgin" It would be very interesting to know, if these three men also wear the ribbon in the bow-style like the women did. Best regards Solomon

No, the swords were awarded only for war-merits. Best regards Solomon

The ribbon with swords on it belongs to the Lippe-Detmold house-order, there is no doubt. And, as mentioned, it is placed wrong behind the merit cross. Following the statues of the house-order, it had to be placed before all other Lippe-awards. A identification isn?t easy, because all other awards are standard... Best regards Solomon

Do you mean this nice fellow? I?m still not convienced if the buttonaire belongs to this (destroyed) group. And I didn?t see any evidence that the button and the medalbar were related, although my small nice fellow isn?t IDed yet. Best regards Roman

...or in my collection Just kidding...really nice fellows, and of course a highlight in everyone?s collection. Best regards Roman

Quite hard to say, you might need some experiences and a good one to compare with...the needle-system is the best way to identify a faked cross, especially when it looks like the shown example. Best regards Roman

Oh noooooo! I?m sorry, but I have to inform you, that exactly this type of the heroic-deeds-cross is a well known fake. You can find these faked crosses often on Ebay, especially one German dealer sells them once a month on Ebay. Sorry for the bad news...but it is definitely not a repaired old one. Best regards Roman

Oooooh I?ve still more than 30 years, before pension (from work)...or I have to change my job and I should become a professional "Gnome" Best regards Roman

Really a nice and quite rare combination...nice purchase. The war merit cross Lippe-Detmold was awarded about 1117 times on a non-combatant ("white") ribbon. For the Schaumburg-cross, I don?t have the figures. Best regards Roman

Hehe, nice thoughts, but there is a small problem: The Lippe-cross with stick-pin and without inscription (often called the 1st class of the war merit cross) was never spent nor awarded. Last month I had a old prototype of this cross in my hands for an article on my website, it was similar to the cross, which is shown in the museum in Detmold. But anyway, it was never spent! Best regards Roman

Oh, you don?t need to clean your monitor...here is a closer look on his medalbar :rolleyes:

:speechless1: Aaaaah, and I?m searching exactely this nice 1866-medal from Lippe-Detmold. Although quite many medals were spent, I nevr saw one one mounted a medalbar and I have no idea why??? Okay, to make you also a bit jealous, I will show you a picture, I got a few weeks ago. Please look carefully at the first medal on the medalbar @Rick I already erased the impossible names and combinations from the list, but there still too many (okay, I?m quite sure, that he wasn?t a "Landwirt"). Additionally there is the problem, that this guy may got his red-cross-medal after the Lippe-cross and in this case the receipt shows none other award, which makes this medalbar IDable But I will keep it in mind. Best regards Roman

OMG...what a rare beauty!!!! :speechless1: Congratualtions. Greetings Roman

And you guys always want to look behind the awards, so here is the back of the medalbar.

Hello gents (and friends of nice enameled roses), to reactivate this theme, I would like to introduce to you my latest purchase. Of course, it looks quite unspectacular, but the "Kriegervereinskreuz Lippe-Detmold" is quite a rare bird. Unfortunately this bar is unnamed. The bar looks like an official (teacher...) or a doctor (indeed, I found one Dr.med. in the list). Best regards Roman