J Temple-West

I agree with dond...Looks like a typical example in zinc, with loss of finish.

Having received notification of the next Hermann Historica auction, I notice yet another Combined Pilot-Observer Badge in Gold with Diamonds in the next sale…this time for Bruno Loerzer. It will interesting to see a close-up of the badge/case in the preview when published. http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion63/pdf/flyer/Zeitgesch_01.pdf

The awards shown in this portrait are as follows.. Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds Combined Pilots-Observation Badge in Gold with Diamonds Romanian Pilots Badge German Cross in gold Iron Cross 1st class Flying Clasp for Fighter Pilots with hanger Wound Badge in Silver. The ribbon bar, as you say, has "EK2, Ostmedalle, Austrian Anschluss" with the addition of the Order of the Crown of Romania, knight class.

Not particularly good pictures (ideally, would like to see close-ups of the hinge, rivets and catch) but the badge looks to be a perfectly good example of Juncker’s 3rd pattern (3rd pattern eagle and wreath) pilot’s badge.

I agree...a copy of the maker Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik Salzburg.

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You'll have to excuse the photography....the following are pretty ancient pix from my collection files. on original card...

From the pictures supplied, I tend to lean in favour of this clasp being war time produced. Do I see the maker mark “O” for Steinhauer und Lück on the reverse of this clasp? The obverse certainly matches known originals by the maker but it must be said that S&L continued to produce flight clasps post war (with swastika) making authentication of war-time pieces very difficult. It would help if you could post some pictures of the rivet as post war rivets tended to be clipped rather than hammered.

Both are the same well known fake with different maker marks.

Nice pieces, Bob Some more Allach can be found here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/2482-ss-porzellan-manufaktur-allach/

Hi Dan Strange, the eagle is reminiscent of an early Polish pilot’s badge, or pre-war German flying club insignia, but isn’t either of those as far as I can tell..... certainly not an official piece. I can only think that the addition of the eagle with swastika was in some way a patriotic gesture as a remembrance of the retaking of the Sudetenland.

I would say it's a good one.

And the Same revised AG/FE badge by Juncker...also SW 68 marked. Unless, of course, you have evidence that Deumer in fact supplied C. E Juncker with the parts/dies. Now that would be interesting! :cheers:

Sorry Karsten but I must disagree. Your examples “D” & “E” are both Juncker supplied, Factory revised (bolts removed or a correction to the die) badges from from a CE Juncker designed 4th pattern RO/AG normally found in zinc, although transitional ‘buntmetal’ versions are found, and mostly stamped with the “SW 68” maker mark. The SW 68 marked, 4th pattern RO/AG by Juncker.

Hi Dan Yes, I have this one in the collection.... de-nazified or broken? Your guess is as good as mine.

I think you’ll find that the silver you’re seeing on the bubbling is due to oxidation rather than finish. Regarding the removal of the lightning bolts.... I’ve done a quick timeline comparison of the badges produced by W. Deumer. Most parts for Luftwaffe badges were supplied to Deumer by C E Juncker so don’t be confused with the badges shown. From left to right: Early nickel silver RO/AG – Zinc (early/mid war) RO/AG – Zinc (mid/late war) factory produced AG/FE. The badge you have is of the ‘zinc (early/mid war) RO/AG’ type and would have originally had bolts having been produced before the ’mid/late war’ or ‘unqualified’ badge were introduced.

Dan This one is a de-nazified cap badge for Civilian maritime (air-sea rescue) personnel. It should look like this...

Hi Dan Seeing that this late zinc badge has lost all of its finish, it’s impossible to tell if this was ever the unqualified version. I would describe is as....A mid-war, heavily repaired Radio Operator/Air Gunner badge with lightning bolts removed, as per orders, turning it into the Air Gunner/Flight Engineer’s Badge.

Hi Shaneos3 The aluminium Assmann looks like it has a good chance of being original...Could we see the reverse...I take it that it's has the "A DRGM" marking? As for the '800 - A' marked example....I don't like it, and I have to say that I don't like the goblet either.

Thanks, all. Good to see you, Jan..... It has been an extremely busy summer for me too...not enough hours in the day!

Cloth badges are always difficult, but I quite like the look of this one. Have you done the usual tests...black light, and the burning of a loose thread?

Hi James Pictures would be a great help as one man's "mint" can often be another's 'worn'....I would hate for you to pay over the top. Generally,any thing between Euro600(worn) - Euro1200 top-end mint. But, as with all things, prices go up....prices go down!