J Temple-West

Flak.

When it comes to Assmann? Most zinc badges, if nor all, have the tell tale excessive/sloppy soldering. Not proof positive, by any means, but perhaps another maker to consider. Here are a couple of zinc badges showing typical Assmann soldering. Para.

An interesting piece, Eric. I?ve seen these around and always thought, going on the badges now attributed to them, S&L. The Hinge/catch could fit the Assmann type, although firms such as Osang and Juncker used similar hardware. It?s the lack of sloppy soldering that steers me away from the Assmann theory. As an example of this generic catch hinge system used by the makers of the day, I?ve put together a compilation of the following; left to right.. Osang - your badge - S&L. As can be seen, all the Hinges/catches have been attached without any spillage of solder.

Reverse.

Comparison of the bunt metal (left) and zinc (right)

Die struck version in zinc. Reverse.

For reference, here is the last in the series of ?Assmann? badges (in zinc) to be produced by means of die striking using the same dies as used in the production of the bunt metal version.

No1 mould...reverse.

As well as the ?A? over ?L/64? marked No1/2 mould examples, these injection moulded badges also come with the ?A? only mark as can be seen on the ?No1? mould example below.

I agree on both. The top one looks to have that nasty clipped brass catch? not a good sign.

John, Sounds like a good price, but what's the condition like? Having no pictures to go on...things to look out for:repairs, zinc pest, repainted eagle etc. See if the seller can supply those all important pictures.

#3 (Bottom left & full badge) is the wreath found on ?Deumer? RO/AG?s and is from a different die to that used on the ?Juncker? parts badges (Top/middle, left.) I think it?s safe to say that all the wreaths shown were produced by the same die cutter, and is yet another example of the collaboration between the two firms.

And a third appears? I have a sneaky suspicion there?s a ?JMME? in there somewhere. Okay, a little change #1 Juncker. #2 JMME. #3 Deumer?.or 1-3-2, or 2-3-1, or 3-1-2...

Nice duo, Ricardo. Both are "Juncker" parts... I take it one is "Deumer" marked? Which is which.... If pushed, I'd say; #1 Juncker. #2 Deumer.

But is it, Stan? I see a lot of differences in both die and finishing characteristics. I would also question the "Niemann, catalogue 1" maker mark. Having so many variations appearing in reference works just brings me back to the badge I feel most comfortable with. I would buy no other.

The plot thickens... I don't think we can rely too much on the artist's impressions in the "Doehle" book. From the ?Niemann? catalogue, however?

Stans? badge: This of course could be a later pattern, but I?m with Eric on this one. If I were looking to buy an original by ?Juncker? I would go for the type shown by Eric and the one shown below. Better safe than sorry.

I?m a little late at looking at this thread?.it has been a very busy Easter/school holiday. I?ll start with the badges that Chris has posted if I may. Are they ?Juncker? marked? I would very much like to see the reverse as a series of fakes came out some years ago with and without cut-out legs and a badly done maker mark. Comparison of the fake (Left) and one posted (Right).

Rocky, It states that ?H.Vierdag? is the representative for the Netherlands, and then goes on to give the PO box number, town, address of shop, bank etc. To find the maker you would have to look for a maker mark on the items. Having such a diverse range, I would go for ?Assmann? or ?Deumer?

Rocky, who is the maker?

Found on doing a 'Google' search http://www.ww2.dk/ground/flak/abt/s263.html

Lack of finish, yes... But the quality of the badge is just superb. Nice one, Bob. Here is a quick shot of the qualification badge series by "GWL". Again, not mint... but shows the excellence of design and attention to detail from one of the top makers.

The date suggests D-Day, Normandy?or is that a little too easy?

A 4 bar that arrived the other day. KVK with swords. HC 15/10 year.

The most commonly seen awards: Silesian Eagle 1st/2nd class. Baltic Cross.